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Some thoughts and a joke
By:Quirel
Date: 9/4/15 1:25 pm
In Response To: Re: Here's why everything is wrong. (Bones)

: The sisters wouldn't let me join the nunnery; they said I wasn't hardcore
: enough.

Language warning:

A car full of Irish nuns is sitting at a traffic light in downtown Dublin, when a bunch of rowdy drunks pull up alongside of them.
“Hey, show us yer teets, ya bloody penguins!” shouts one of the drunks.

Quite shocked, Mother Superior turns to Sister Mary Immaculata and says, “I don’t think they know who we are; show them your cross.”

Sister Mary Immaculata rolls down her window and shouts, “Piss off, ya fookin’ little wankers, before I come over there and rip yer balls off!”

Sister Mary Immaculata then rolls up her window, looks back at Mother Superior, quite innocently, and asks, “Did that sound cross enough?

: Thank you for saying exactly what I was thinking. These aren't soldiers.
: They're stuntmen, hitting their marks effortlessly, and their fellow
: actors are falling down and blowing up and hitting their marks so that our
: protagonists can blaze through in a streak of glory.

: Remember when the Covenant were, like, a threat?

Remember when Covenant warships had aimbot point defense lasers, shields that could tank MAC rounds, and weapons that could gut capital warships? Remember when they didn't go down to a few small missiles? Or even just one?

Remember when a sword-wielding Elite on the Ascendant Justice would have killed the Chief if Johnson wasn't there?

In the games (Except for Halo: Reach Legendary =P) the Covenant have always been cannon fodder. When they go up against the UNSC, they never win. They're always driven back, or the Forerunner MacGuffin is retrieved moments before the Covenant can reach it. Within the realm of gameplay, I'm perfectly fine with that. Elites and Grunts and Jackals and Brutes and Hunters and Drones are like Slay's potato chips: You can't kill just one. I understood that there was a fundamental disconnect between what the Covenant were in-game and what they were supposed to be story-wise.

In terms of lore, if the Covenant had been the pushovers they were in the games, I doubt I'd have fallen in love with Halo. Fortunately, they weren't. They were a force to be respected even by Spartans, who fought back with well-prepared ambushes and stealth missions that would make Batman take notes. The weakest link in the Covenant war machine is the Grunt, and they can go toe-to-toe with Marines if they're properly led. Elites are quick, heavily protected badasses who are also effective leaders, usually. Yes, Elites can be stupid, but the fandom rebelled when they went down to a few burst of gunfire in The Flood.

The problem is that, outside of the stories penned by Nylund and Statten, the Covenant are pushovers. People love the Monsters cutscene from Halo Wars because it shows the Spartans at their finest. I hate it because I want to see a fight between Spartans and Elites at their finest, and the Elites were at their worst. I can't even begin to guess at why they charged down a bridge with no shields and no ranged weapons against soldiers with guns.

And after Halo Wars, there is a whole slew of stories where the Covenant suck at fighting. The Package basically ignored all their advantages. Spartan Ops (I know the cutscenes had a different name, but I can't remember it at the moment) basically made them look badass by making the Spartan IVs act like a bunch of incompetent boobs, and Escalation's sole saving grace is Ayit 'Sevi. By this point, Spartans slaughtering their way through a whole company of Covenant just drives home how pathetic the Covenant is.

Also, the Master Chief wading through a Covenant battalion in-game is different than seeing him do it in a movie. In a game, I understand all too well that I'm just a few hits away from dying. Also, animators have a nasty habit of making Spartans do the flashy thing instead of the pragmatic thing.

: Agreed. You know, I always thought the Babysitter short in Halo Legends
: pretty much nailed Spartan ability and athletics. If you look closely,
: there's weight to the movement and form. There's a little bit of flipping
: acrobatics, but it's subdued and kept to a minimum.

: And take a look at the 9:45 mark, where Cal-141 is actually shown reacting to
: the situation. I actually just noticed it again watching the short. This
: is always how I pictured Spartan reaction times; obviously heightened, as
: she's able to evade the gravity hammer in time, but still human. She still
: has to react.

Setting aside my problems with the ending, The Babysitter is one of the best depictions of Spartans.


Messages In This Thread

New Trailer/Opening CinematicVAVA Mk28/31/15 9:52 pm
     Re: New Trailer/Opening CinematicThe BS Police8/31/15 9:56 pm
           Re: New Trailer/Opening CinematicVAVA Mk28/31/15 10:00 pm
     Woah.Grizzlei8/31/15 10:00 pm
           Re: Woah.zofinda8/31/15 10:05 pm
                 Re: Woah.Grizzlei8/31/15 10:14 pm
                       Re: Woah.zofinda8/31/15 10:24 pm
                             Re: Woah.Grizzlei8/31/15 10:35 pm
     Holy hell *NM*Apollo8/31/15 10:06 pm
     Why buzzfeed?Revenant19888/31/15 10:07 pm
           Re: Why buzzfeed?VAVA Mk28/31/15 10:11 pm
                 Re: Why buzzfeed?zofinda8/31/15 10:25 pm
                 Re: Why buzzfeed?spu7n1k8/31/15 11:18 pm
                 Re: Why buzzfeed?uberfoop8/31/15 11:41 pm
     Holy crap! That was awesome!Gravemind8/31/15 10:32 pm
           Re: Holy crap! That was awesome!Grizzlei8/31/15 10:34 pm
                 Re: Holy crap! That was awesome!Gravemind8/31/15 10:52 pm
     Re: New Trailer/Opening Cinematicserpx8/31/15 11:02 pm
           Re: New Trailer/Opening Cinematicarithmomaniac8/31/15 11:41 pm
     Re: New Trailer/Opening CinematicMorhek8/31/15 11:15 pm
     Okay.uberfoop8/31/15 11:32 pm
           life must be hard for you *NM*Bounce-A-Gon9/1/15 12:41 am
                 Hey, Mr. Sunshine!Quirel9/1/15 12:43 am
                       that is was bad and shouldnt do it. :P *NM*Bounce-A-Gon9/1/15 1:03 am
                             Re: *Sprays water at Josh* Bad Kitty! *NM*Hyokin9/1/15 1:24 am
                 Needs less tsun-tsun and more dere-dere. ^_^ *NM*Gravemind9/1/15 1:24 am
                       Re: Needs less tsun-tsun and more dere-dere. ^_^tadboz9/1/15 9:20 pm
           Re: Okay.asa9/1/15 12:23 pm
                 Re: Okay.MacGyver109/1/15 1:23 pm
     Impressively cheesy.Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316)9/1/15 2:06 am
           Good lord fuck off *NM*Apollo9/1/15 9:15 am
           Re: Impressively cheesy.General Vagueness9/2/15 12:17 am
     Meh.Quirel9/1/15 2:22 am
           Re: Meh.Vincent9/1/15 3:17 am
                 Re: Meh.ArteenEsben9/1/15 6:47 am
                       Re: Meh.Stormwing9/1/15 9:04 am
                             Re: Meh.ArteenEsben9/1/15 6:00 pm
           Re: Meh.kidtsunami9/1/15 4:21 pm
                 Re: Meh.zofinda9/1/15 5:24 pm
                 Re: Meh.Quirel9/1/15 11:39 pm
                       Hahakidtsunami9/2/15 10:53 am
           Re: Meh.Cody Miller9/1/15 7:19 pm
                 Re: Meh.Quirel9/2/15 1:49 am
     O_OJaydee9/1/15 2:53 am
           Re: O_Ozofinda9/1/15 4:17 pm
     Nicekidtsunami9/1/15 8:29 am
           Re: Nicedavidfuchs9/1/15 9:32 am
     Best partkanbo9/1/15 12:27 pm
     Enjoyed that. *NM*yakaman9/1/15 1:35 pm
     Age of Ultron called. They want their intro back.munky-0589/1/15 2:29 pm
     Translated the binary at :26Toby Dillman9/1/15 9:16 pm
           Re: Translated the binary at :26thebruce09/2/15 9:48 am
     Re: New Trailer/Opening CinematicGeneral Vagueness9/2/15 1:48 pm
     Michael Bay dreams of things like that... *NM*The Loot9/3/15 4:43 am
     One step forward, two steps backPaused9/3/15 3:15 pm
           Re: One step forward, two steps backGrizzlei9/3/15 3:51 pm
                 +1 *NM*kidtsunami9/3/15 3:57 pm
                 Re: One step forward, two steps backzofinda9/3/15 6:40 pm
                       Re: One step forward, two steps backGrizzlei9/3/15 6:51 pm
                       Re: One step forward, two steps backthebruce09/4/15 10:28 am
                 Re: One step forward, two steps backPaused9/5/15 6:20 pm
     Re: New Trailer/Opening CinematicDrdoctor9/3/15 5:07 pm
           A more clinical/less showy Blue Team? A++ *NM*kidtsunami9/3/15 5:10 pm
     Here's why everything is wrong.Bones9/3/15 9:04 pm
           this forum is dead long live the forum *NM*Bounce-A-Gon9/3/15 9:52 pm
                 So, I take it no thoughts, then? *NM*Bones9/3/15 10:58 pm
           Re: Here's why everything is wrong.Revenant19889/3/15 11:15 pm
                 Re: Here's why everything is wrong.Bones9/4/15 12:03 am
                       Re: Here's why everything is wrong.The BS Police9/4/15 2:26 am
                             Re: Here's why everything is wrong.Masterz13379/4/15 2:58 am
                                   Re: Here's why everything is wrong.Quirel9/4/15 4:22 am
                                         Re: Here's why everything is wrong.thebruce09/4/15 10:32 am
                                               Hate to break it to youkidtsunami9/4/15 10:38 am
                                                     Re: Hate to break it to youthebruce09/4/15 10:41 am
                                                           Re: Hate to break it to youMacGyver109/4/15 11:30 am
                                                                 Re: Hate to break it to youQuirel9/4/15 11:47 am
                                                                       Re: Hate to break it to youdavidfuchs9/4/15 11:48 am
                                                                             Re: Hate to break it to youQuirel9/4/15 2:37 pm
                                                                       Re: Hate to break it to youMacGyver109/4/15 11:53 am
                                                                             Re: Hate to break it to youQuirel9/4/15 12:35 pm
                                                                                   Re: Hate to break it to youMacGyver109/4/15 3:01 pm
                                                                                         Re: Hate to break it to youQuirel9/8/15 5:41 pm
                                                                                               Re: Hate to break it to youGeneral Vagueness9/8/15 5:57 pm
                                                                                                     Re: Hate to break it to youMacGyver109/8/15 6:15 pm
                                                                                                     Re: Hate to break it to youQuirel9/9/15 1:51 am
                                                                                                           cite your source q *NM*Bounce-A-Gon9/9/15 5:54 am
                                                                 Re: Hate to break it to youthebruce09/4/15 1:28 pm
                                                                       Re: Hate to break it to youQuirel9/4/15 1:33 pm
                                                           Re: More like football players...*IMG*Hyokin9/4/15 12:06 pm
                                                                 Great Sales pitchBounce-A-Gon9/4/15 12:22 pm
                                                                 Re: More like football players...*IMG*thebruce09/4/15 1:31 pm
                                                     The funny thing about that...munky-0589/4/15 2:51 pm
                                                           Re: The funny thing about that...MacGyver109/4/15 3:12 pm
                                   Re: Here's why everything is wrong.General Vagueness9/4/15 2:15 pm
                             Re: Here's why everything is wrong.Morhek9/4/15 6:20 am
                       Some thoughts and a jokeQuirel9/4/15 1:25 pm
                             Re: Some thoughts and a jokeBones9/4/15 2:00 pm
                                   Re: Some thoughts and a jokeQuirel9/9/15 6:06 pm
                             +1Leviathan9/4/15 2:21 pm
                                   Re: +1thebruce09/4/15 3:48 pm
                 Spartans are power rangersMasterz13379/4/15 12:55 pm
                       Re: That made me so happy.Hyokin9/4/15 4:08 pm
                 Re: Here's why everything is wrong.General Vagueness9/4/15 2:04 pm
           Here's Why That's Irrelevantdavidfuchs9/4/15 9:28 am
                 I'd argue otherwise, Davey.Bones9/4/15 10:27 am
                       Re: I'd argue otherwise, Davey.davidfuchs9/4/15 11:06 am
                             Re: I'd argue otherwise, Davey.Bones9/4/15 12:23 pm
                                   Re: I'd argue otherwise, Davey.thebruce09/4/15 1:51 pm
           The Big Questionserpx9/4/15 3:02 pm
                 Re: The Big QuestionMacGyver109/4/15 3:20 pm
           About all of the negativity here.Quirel9/4/15 3:19 pm
                 Re: About all of the negativity here.Revenant19889/4/15 9:26 pm
                       Re: About all of the negativity here.spu7n1k9/4/15 11:51 pm
                             Re: About all of the negativity here.asa9/5/15 3:45 pm
                             Re: About all of the negativity here.Apollo9/6/15 11:10 pm
                                   The negativity is everywhere.Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316)9/7/15 2:25 am
                                         ^responds with negativity *NM*Bounce-A-Gon9/7/15 2:37 am
                                               alsoBounce-A-Gon9/7/15 3:24 am
                                                     Re: alsoGrizzlei9/7/15 3:55 am
                                                     Really? *NM*Tex9/8/15 10:58 am
                                         Re: The negativity is everywhere.Jaydee9/7/15 3:41 am
                                               *side eyes* *NM*Grizzlei9/7/15 3:53 am
                                                     Re: *side eyes*thebruce09/8/15 10:04 am
                                               Re: The negativity is everywhere.Bounce-A-Gon9/7/15 3:56 am
                                               Re: The negativity is everywhere.Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316)9/7/15 8:43 am
                                               Just joined Halo Archive. *NM*robofin1179/7/15 8:21 pm
                                         Re: The negativity is everywhere.bluerunner9/7/15 8:21 am
                                               Re: The negativity is everywhere.Leviathan9/7/15 11:40 am
                                                     Re: The negativity is everywhere.cheapLEY9/7/15 2:24 pm
                                                           Yup. *NM*robofin1179/7/15 8:08 pm
                                               Re: The negativity is everywhere.Quirel9/9/15 6:06 pm
                                                     Re: The negativity is everywhere.bluerunner9/9/15 7:53 pm
                                                           Re: The negativity is everywhere.Grizzlei9/9/15 7:59 pm
                                                                 Re: The negativity is everywhere.bluerunner9/9/15 8:03 pm
                                                                       Re: The negativity is everywhere.robofin1179/10/15 12:12 am
                                                                             Re: The negativity is everywhere.Grizzlei9/10/15 12:30 am
                                                                             Re: The negativity is everywhere.Quirel9/10/15 2:34 am
                                                                                   oh you *NM*kidtsunami9/10/15 8:00 am
                                                           Re: The negativity is everywhere.Quirel9/10/15 2:34 am
                                                           Re: The negativity is everywhere.Kermit9/10/15 7:33 pm
                                         Negativity? On the internet? You don't say?Gravemind9/7/15 2:31 pm
                                         Re: The negativity is everywhere.General Vagueness9/7/15 7:50 pm
                                         Re: Halo 5 seems more Halo than usualkidtsunami9/8/15 12:17 pm
                                               Re: Halo 5 seems more Halo than usualJoe Duplessie (SNIPE 316)9/8/15 1:41 pm
                                                     I love that Halo is slowerkidtsunami9/8/15 7:22 pm
                                   Re: About all of the negativity here.Quirel9/8/15 5:38 pm
                                         Honest QuestionMacGyver109/8/15 6:09 pm
                                               Re: Honest QuestionRevenant19889/8/15 9:21 pm
                                               Re: Honest QuestionQuirel9/9/15 4:26 pm
                                                     Re: Honest QuestionGeneral Vagueness9/9/15 5:57 pm
                                                           This.cheapLEY9/10/15 2:04 am
                                                                 "Death2Halo? Joke's on him, Halo is already dead!"munky-0589/11/15 11:25 am
                                                                       Re: "Death2Halo? Joke's on him, Halo is already deGrizzlei9/11/15 4:21 pm
                                                                             Re: "Death2Halo? Joke's on him, Halo is already demunky-0589/11/15 6:10 pm
                                                                                   Re: "Death2Halo? Joke's on him, Halo is already deasa9/11/15 6:57 pm
                                                                                   Re: "Death2Halo? Joke's on him, Halo is already deGeneral Vagueness9/11/15 7:01 pm
                                                                                   Re: "Death2Halo? Joke's on him, Halo is already deThe BS Police9/12/15 9:25 pm
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                                         Re: About all of the negativity here.General Vagueness9/8/15 6:15 pm
                       Re: About all of the negativity here.Cody Miller9/5/15 10:44 pm
                             Re: About all of the negativity here.MacGyver109/8/15 12:20 am
                             Re: About all of the negativity here.The BS Police9/8/15 1:50 pm
                                   Re: About all of the negativity here. *IMG*Hyokin9/8/15 2:54 pm
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