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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't like 60 fps?
By:uberfoop
Date: 6/11/13 5:59 pm

: Perhaps it's the difference between seeing a difference in a period time
: versus actually distinguishing individual frames? Say you're able to
: distinguish 100 individual frames per second. You could still tell if
: something was 300fps, because it would be blurrier (each distinguished
: 'frame' would be composed of 3 actual frames, compared to 1 at 100fps).
: But you'd still only 'see' 1 distinguished frame.

: I think the issue is that yes we can tell 72fps apart from 120fps or greater
: and whatnot, but do our brains actually see every single frame, or just a
: blur of frames each? (based on whatever scientifically determined frame
: rates)

Well that's the exciting question.

Here's how we answer it:

1-Create a system that renders a windows desktop with "perfect" framerate-dependant motion blur on the mouse.
2-See if people can still distinguish 60/120/240/480/whatever FPS against each other.

It would be a hard test to be sure to do right though. There's all kinds of stuff you'd have to think about, like making sure your motion blur levels are reasonable and aren't perceptibly making the image blurrier than an infinite-framerate non-motion-blur image would be (Obviously you could make even 30fps look perfectly smooth if you just smeared everything horribly). You'd also have to run the test on displays with very non-blurry motion response, like CRTs or plasmas.


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Holy shit. Halo at E3.Postmortem6/10/13 2:04 pm
     Re: Holy shit. Halo at E3.Document6/10/13 2:10 pm
           Re: Holy shit. Halo at E3.Postmortem6/10/13 2:12 pm
     Re: Holy shit. Halo at E3.gamerguy20026/10/13 2:13 pm
           Re: Holy shit. Halo at E3.Postmortem6/10/13 2:16 pm
     Re: Holy shit. Halo at E3.Monochron6/10/13 2:16 pm
           Re: Holy shit. Halo at E3.Monochron6/10/13 2:19 pm
                 Re: Holy shit. Halo at E3.Urban Reflex6/10/13 2:21 pm
                       Re: Holy shit. Halo at E3.thebruce06/10/13 2:23 pm
                             Re: Holy shit. Halo at E3.thebruce06/10/13 2:55 pm
                                   Also, sparkly sand-- nanobots! *NM*thebruce06/10/13 3:22 pm
                                         Loved the sneaky revealApollo6/10/13 8:28 pm
                                               Re: Loved the sneaky revealGrizzlei6/10/13 8:32 pm
                       Sand in the crack causes anyone issues :) *NM*Captain Spark6/10/13 3:44 pm
                 WHAT new look and tone?uberfoop6/10/13 2:28 pm
                       Re: WHAT new look and tone?Monochron6/10/13 2:38 pm
                       Re: WHAT new look and tone?TDSpiral6/10/13 2:46 pm
                             At this rate...Leviathan6/10/13 3:22 pm
                                   Oops.Leviathan6/10/13 3:23 pm
                             Re: WHAT new look and tone?RC Master6/10/13 3:30 pm
                                   Re: WHAT new look and tone?DHalo6/10/13 3:33 pm
                                   Re: WHAT new look and tone?TDSpiral6/10/13 4:16 pm
                 More Like Lawrence Of Arabia. FIRST! *NM*Morpheus6/10/13 2:36 pm
           I gotta be honest.Kermit6/12/13 8:29 am
                 Re: I gotta be honest.thebruce06/12/13 10:13 am
                       Re: I gotta be honest.Kermit6/12/13 11:11 am
                             Re: I gotta be honest.Hyokin6/12/13 2:25 pm
                                   Works for these dudesGrizzlei6/12/13 3:24 pm
                                         Re: Works for these dudesSEspider6/12/13 3:53 pm
                                               Re: Works for these dudesGrizzlei6/12/13 4:31 pm
                                                     Re: Works for these dudesthebruce06/12/13 6:32 pm
                             Re: I gotta be honest.Arithmomaniac6/13/13 5:10 pm
                 Confirmed: Halo 5 has denim cutoffs *NM*padraig086/12/13 11:27 am
                 Re: I gotta be honest.Kalamari6/12/13 4:35 pm
                       Re: I gotta be honest.Grizzlei6/12/13 4:57 pm
                             this was a beautiful post. +10 *NM*zoojoo6/12/13 10:02 pm
                             Rhanks a lot, GrizzleiSEspider6/12/13 11:33 pm
                                   Keep that safesearch on! *NM*Quirel6/13/13 1:20 am
                             Re: I gotta be honest.Kalamari6/13/13 1:44 am
                 Clearly he is is trying to hide his human identityBryan Newman6/12/13 6:11 pm
                 Re: I gotta be honest.SonofMacPhisto6/12/13 6:30 pm
                       Re: I gotta be honest.Kermit6/13/13 2:07 am
                             Re: I gotta be honest.thebruce06/13/13 9:44 am
                                   Re: I gotta be honest.Kermit6/13/13 12:36 pm
                                         Re: I gotta be honest.thebruce06/13/13 1:49 pm
     Somebody's been reading Shield and Sword... *NM*Leviathan6/10/13 2:21 pm
     All I really have to say...Postmortem6/10/13 2:23 pm
           Re: All I really have to say...Postmortem6/10/13 2:24 pm
                 Re: All I really have to say...Leviathan6/10/13 3:17 pm
     Dat cloakGrizzlei6/10/13 2:27 pm
           Desert gave me more of a Halo 3 Ark/SANDTARP vibe. *NM*uberfoop6/10/13 2:29 pm
     Is it Halo 5 though? *NM*Apollo6/10/13 2:35 pm
           Re: Is it Halo 5 though?MacGyver106/10/13 2:41 pm
                 It's Halo 5Kal6/10/13 4:11 pm
     HD Halo Trailer FootageNsU Soldier6/10/13 2:38 pm
           ^ Haha, gamerguy beat me to it. *NM*NsU Soldier6/10/13 2:41 pm
           Boo good sir...Boo.MacGyver106/10/13 2:42 pm
                 At the very least...NsU Soldier6/10/13 2:44 pm
           Re: HD Halo Trailer Footagegamerguy20026/10/13 2:43 pm
           Re: HD Halo Trailer FootageGrizzlei6/10/13 3:03 pm
     I DEMAND only one thing, 343iGrizzlei6/10/13 2:46 pm
           Re: I DEMAND only one thing, 343iNsU Soldier6/10/13 2:47 pm
                 Re: I DEMAND only one thing, 343iPhoenix_92866/10/13 3:22 pm
                       Heh *NM*TDSpiral6/10/13 4:18 pm
           Re: I DEMAND only one thing, 343iTDSpiral6/10/13 2:48 pm
           I will reiterate.padraig086/10/13 3:03 pm
                 Re: I will reiterate.Grizzlei6/10/13 3:08 pm
                       Re: I will reiterate.padraig086/10/13 4:10 pm
     My TheoryMixmasterchief6/10/13 2:59 pm
     Re: Much cooler than the Halo 4 teaserpete_the_duck6/10/13 3:14 pm
           Ditto. *NM*Postmortem6/10/13 3:15 pm
           Re: Much cooler than the Halo 4 teaserTDSpiral6/10/13 3:20 pm
     TRAILER from Joystiq.com (Not MegaMan either)MacGyver106/10/13 3:17 pm
     Just my thoughts...iForge6/10/13 3:26 pm
           Re: Just my thoughts...thebruce06/10/13 3:38 pm
     Lke a Phoenix rising from the ashesCaptain Spark6/10/13 3:48 pm
     Re: Holy shit. Halo at E3.Laird6/10/13 3:55 pm
     Knew it.Azo 'Galvat6/10/13 4:02 pm
     Too much, too soon these days, it feels like.Leviathan6/10/13 4:39 pm
           Re: Too much, too soon these days, it feels like.TDSpiral6/10/13 4:51 pm
                 Re: Too much, too soon these days, it feels like.Azo 'Galvat6/10/13 5:07 pm
           Re: Too much, too soon these days, it feels like.thebruce06/10/13 4:55 pm
                 Re: Too much, too soon these days, it feels like.Leviathan6/10/13 6:04 pm
                       Re: Too much, too soon these days, it feels like.thebruce06/10/13 7:08 pm
                             Re: Too much, too soon these days, it feels like.gamerguy20026/10/13 7:28 pm
                                   Re: Too much, too soon these days, it feels like.thebruce06/10/13 10:11 pm
                       Re: Too much, too soon these days, it feels like.Postmortem6/10/13 7:20 pm
                             Re: Too much, too soon these days, it feels like.thebruce06/10/13 10:18 pm
           Re: Too much, too soon these days, it feels like.Revenant19886/10/13 6:45 pm
                 Re: Too much, too soon these days, it feels like.Leviathan6/10/13 9:20 pm
     Am I the only one who doesn't like 60 fps?Gravemind6/10/13 6:03 pm
           Re: Am I the only one who doesn't like 60 fps?SonofMacPhisto6/10/13 6:28 pm
           Re: Am I the only one who doesn't like 60 fps?Bry6/10/13 6:32 pm
           Re: Am I the only one who doesn't like 60 fps?Phoenix_92866/10/13 6:44 pm
           Re: Am I the only one who doesn't like 60 fps?Captain Spark6/10/13 6:58 pm
           Re: Am I the only one who doesn't like 60 fps?RC Master6/10/13 7:08 pm
                 Re: Am I the only one who doesn't like 60 fps?Gravemind6/10/13 7:26 pm
                       Re: Am I the only one who doesn't like 60 fps?RC Master6/11/13 6:32 am
                             Re: Am I the only one who doesn't like 60 fps?scarab6/11/13 9:43 am
                             Re: Am I the only one who doesn't like 60 fps?uberfoop6/11/13 1:46 pm
                                   Re: Am I the only one who doesn't like 60 fps?thebruce06/11/13 5:46 pm
                                         Re: Am I the only one who doesn't like 60 fps?uberfoop6/11/13 5:59 pm
                                               Re: Am I the only one who doesn't like 60 fps?thebruce06/12/13 10:25 am
                                   Re: Am I the only one who doesn't like 60 fps?RC Master6/11/13 8:26 pm
                                         Re: Am I the only one who doesn't like 60 fps?uberfoop6/11/13 8:36 pm
                                               Re: Am I the only one who doesn't like 60 fps?RC Master6/12/13 9:04 am
           Re: Am I the only one who doesn't like 60 fps?Cody Miller6/10/13 9:21 pm
           It makes me sick in a queasy sense. *NM*scarab6/11/13 9:44 am
     Calling it nowSonofMacPhisto6/10/13 6:27 pm

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