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Re: The One Dream and the Ultimate Truth

Posted By: Seraph (adsl-66-123-169-134.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net)
Date: 8/15/2002 at 12:51 p.m.

In Response To: Re: The One Dream and the Ultimate Truth (Forrest of B.org)

: Killing the gunman to save more lives would be better
: than doing nothing and letting him kill people. But
: there are even better solutions: ideally you could
: rehabilitate him, but even if that's not possible you
: might be able to spare his life and prevent him from
: harming others without causing undue harm elsewhere
: (f.ex. consuming so many of society's resources to
: keep him in prison that people wind up starving, or
: something).

Realistically though, if you had to act then and there, killing him is probably not unreasonable.

: Basically, circumstance dictates what is the most
: right/good and least harmful/evil solution to a given
: problem at the moment. If somebody burst into my room
: waving a gun, and I had enough opportunity to get in
: close without being shot, I probably wouldn't hesitate
: to royally kick his ass and break a number of bones
: (have I mentioned to our new folks that I'm a 3rd
: degree black belt in TaeKwonDo, just passed my 10th
: anniversary of training?). I'd probably just barely
: hesitate from killing him, depending on my state of
: mind at the time.

Amazing, keep up the black belt TaeKwowDo. I think that makes sense, I mean he tried to kill you so trying to do that in self defense is just.

: Ideally, I'd just knock the gun out of his hands and get
: him in a nice hold until the cops got there, but
: depending on how capable I feel and how clear-minded I
: am at the time, I might decide that excess harm
: against someone who has harmful intentions is better
: than excess risk of harm against a well-intentioned
: person like myself.

Ideally, we wouldn't have to worry about people like him.

Just as a general question, what do you guys think of Gaundi or Martin Luther King Jr. style nonviolence?
I'm impressed by its idealism and its success, but I'm not sure I have the ability to just let someone beat me for no reason. (That is, I haven't tried to do anything bad to them)

Seraph

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