: So how could it be permitted but *not* approved?
The exact same way Viacom, which owns Paramount, gives permission to authors of Star Trek stories to publish their books, while it is obviously clear that Star Trek Canon includes none of what is published by some authors and ONLY what it officially produces. The Technical Manuals are absolutely identical in representation to the Myth Manuals. The Game is only what we see in TV or Movies, which is of purest canon. The books BASED on Star Trek themselves will have similar insignias of Paramount or Viacom, a rather identical paradigm.
: Do you really
: think they'd license the franchise out without having
: any control whatsoever over the finished product?
Of course! If Bungie were to have authorized it like a Star Trek Technical Manual, it would then have had control over the finished product. It clearly didn't.
: By the fact that you won't believe GURPS is valid unless
: Alex personally comes to you and says so, you've
: removed the issue from the area of verifiability and
: made it into a religion.
Actually, you sound like you are the one defending it so faithfully.
: There's really nothing more
: to discuss.
Fine
: Exactly--which is why Myth III couldn't be more reliable
: than GURPS. Because just as with GURPS, they have to
: make up some information to fill in the blanks.
Just as Bungie did. The problem with GURPS is that it utterly contradicts itself.
: We've seen the credits,
which say nothing of what you claim,
: we've seen that Bungie sold it,
in retail,
: we know how Bungie feels about their products. This is
: information we can use.
Right, but every case is isolated. I understand what your saying, but it obviously didn't apply, or Bungie would have taken greater care.
: If you're interested in analyzing a world arbitarily
: assembled by business deals, that's fine. But I'm not.
If you wish to to analyze the invented ramblings of a guy who didn't even finish the game, that's fine. But I don't.
: Well, tell me, why are *you* interested in Myth story
: analysis? Maybe we can find common ground that way.
I still don't understand this.
: Well now, let's put some things together.
: "Based on the/ Award-winning/ Computer Games/ Myth:
: The Fallen Lords/ and/ Myth II: Soulblighter"
: "Myth: The Fallen Lords and Myth: Soulblighter are
: trademarks and Bungie is a registered trademark of
: Bungie Software Products Corporation, and are used
: under license."
: My goodness, it looks like GURPS Myth is based on
: information and products by Bungie. And it looks like
: they had to be licensed by Bungie to be used.
Yes, just as all those Star Trek novels are based on Star Trek, a product of Viacom-Paramount. Viacom had to license those authors with the right to BASE material from their products too. Nothing is said in them that they're in any way true to the real story, of which is only evident in the productions, just as only Myth the game has any evidence.
To BASE a story on something means to take some ideas from it, unless explicitely said otherwise. These ulterior statements are included nowhere in GURPS, or anywhere else for that matter.
: "Illustrated by/Robt Mclees."
: Based on the Setting by/Robt Mclees."
: Hey, look at that. There's the name of the guy who wrote
: the Myth story.
Yes, it's a shame he didn't write a word of GURPS Myth.
: Now, I wonder why he allowed them to
: use his name? And why they used his pictures. Can't do
: that without a contract, I understand. Oh...wait...he
: must have approved the deal as well! Unless all his
: Myth stuff was classified as work-for-hire, in which
: case...Bungie must have done it! Good old Bungie.
Ah yes, Bungie, butcherer of sequels (I exagerate; m2 wasn't that bad). Bungie seems to have given them material that was paid for.
: Selling in retail is still selling. Licensing for titles
: and information is still licensing. Bungie didn't
: *have* to do either.
I'm not criticizing if they did it, but that they did not do it in the way you presume.
: It changed hands! That's the difference! If I buy the
: rights to the Bladerunner franchise and make
: "Bladerunner 2: Deckard Wasn't a Replicant, He
: Was A Shapeshifter from Mars," who would care?
: It's not the same world! It's a new world that I
: created using elements from the old.
And Viacom buying Paramount? Another network getting control of a TV Show, like Buffy, that used to be on another channel, Buffy now being on UPN? Hands were changed, yet the stories remained perfectly intact and still have their own historical canon.
: Again, what does legality have to do with it?
The rights to change or simply continue the same story.
: We're
: interested in continuity of information flow and
: contributing minds.
Yes, which makes it seem strange to me that you like GURPS.
: If you think that arguments based
: on legality are relevant, then (as I asked earlier)
: please explain on what grounds you're interested in
: Myth story analysis. That's the only area left where
: our positions aren't clear.
Clarify further.
: Um...if we can't be pretty much sure that a Brigand would
: lose to a Krid, I think we might as well shut the
: Asylum down now.
Right, but we never see it in the story itself. However, Bungie also gave us many multiplayer meshes. I believe one of them has Brigands and Myrkridia. Therefore, we can see, as what with Bungie's presentation, how these two match up.
Therefore, we can't make up our own parameters of the levels we make. They can be fun and demonstrate how they were designed, but they're nothing beyond that.
: The Tales comic explains that her spirit was in fact left
: behind.
It just says she was defeated and left behind. This could mean anything, though it would seem to contradict M2 a bit
mb. Besides, this topic is moot.
: Not at all, I think. They're equally straightforward.
: Alric knew Sinis, thought he'd died, and either did or
: did not witness his death. No reason to assume either.
Agreed; the connotation is what seems to imply my own assumtion.
: He *invaded the West* after Connacht imprisoned the Krids
: and the Trow. We know nothing of when he was actually
: born, or when the Light first heard of his existence.
: He need not have lived three hundred years before the
: Great War as Balor did, but he'd still need to put
: together his army--especially since his invasion was
: largely separate from the Myrkridian and Trow threats.
: He had undead to make, Ghτls to organize, and so
: forth.
k.
: Only evidence of that is in GURPS. :-)
Then I withdraw the statement, for I thought its origins were more clear in truth. This topic is moot too.
