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watcher is immortal...

Posted By: Welly (spider-wg034.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 7/25/2001 at 9:43 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Elder Races (SiliconDream =PN=)

: Nah, it ain't worth it--interesting evidenceless theories
: are a dime a dozen on this forum. :-)

true, but it's fun to talk about anyway

: Yhe only thing
: I'll ever ask to have posted is my Grand Theory of The
: Leveller As Psycho-Immune System, and I'll never
: finish compiling that.

finish completing it! we want to hear it (don't we?) :)

: According to GURPS, the Trow do possess the necessary
: talents to practice magic, and may have sunk Yer-Ks
: with a "fragment of Callieach magic."
: Cultural elitism may discourage them from becoming
: mages in general; most magic in Myth is linked to one
: or more divine or demonic entities, and as devoted
: worshippers of Nyx the Trow would balk at trafficking
: with rival gods. (Plus, of course, they don't need
: magic to improve their quality of life when they're so
: tough and strong anyway.) But just because they don't
: want to now doesn't mean they can't, or that they
: don't dabble when they see something particularly
: interesting. Heck, maybe the whole reason they quit
: practicing magic is that the last time they tried it,
: all those little human and Dwarven and Ghτl vermin
: sprang up and now they're running the world. :-)

mmm hehe.. i think they stopped due to the same reason they dropped their iron... they became sick of their outrageous slaughtering and genocides.

: And if the Trow had no magical defenses, it's hard to see
: how they could have taken on the Callieach, a race of
: archmages. Even the Trow would have had trouble with
: an army of Alrics or Shivers or Soulblighters...of
: course, maybe there were ten billion Trow before the
: war and a million afterwards.

i agree trow had to know Some magic, in the comic we see just how much they know... at their height they had to have some kind of magic, not just some big mallets and iron 'n thins. iron and stuff isnt enough to hunt callieach to extinction if GURPS is actually right about them.

: Yeah, my thought was that the Callieach might have
: experimented with the Dream--either as a weapon or out
: of scientific interest--and after they were
: exterminated the Trow came recovered the Dream and
: stuck it in one of their cities. Maybe to safeguard
: it, maybe just for its curiosity value.

yup, or perhaps even to keep it from the younger races who might use it to conquer them. humans always had great potential, by TFL came they had definitely lived up to their capabilities.

: Incidentally, if the Dream did create the Younger Races
: it did so indirectly--the Younger Races are said to
: have appeared "gradually," e.g. with the
: Oghres preceding humans. This suggests some sort of
: evolutionary process; perhaps the Dream of Unlife
: directly created amoebas or other primitive creatures,
: which then gradually evolved until the Trow found them
: worthy of interest.

possibly, even though that's a little vague... why make amoebas or cells or plankton when you can have twenty foot high megatr0keelrs?

: If he'd found it previously, he wouldn't have had to look
: for it again--contemplation of a Dream's Rune Stone
: encodes that particular spell in your mind, says
: GURPS. Even if you don't buy that, spells still tend
: to be some form of knowledge, not a physical object.
: Unless he'd been brain-damaged or resurrected minus
: some of his mind, like Shiver, I don't think he would
: have had to relearn a Dream.

true, so i guess he hadn't found it before. though that doesn't rule out the possibility that someone else did find it before, that we don't know about.

: And I still don't get why everyone's so impressed with
: The Watcher's long life. All the Fallen Lords are
: apparently immortal; the Avatara seem to be too; the
: Heron Guards definitely are; it's even hinted at with
: the Warlocks. Far as I can see, the Watcher's just a
: Wind Age Fallen Lord who should have gotten whacked by
: Connacht, but got lucky and was buried under a
: mountain instead. If Myrdred hadn't made the mistake
: of standing too close to Shiver, and if Soulblighter
: had kept his noseless a$$ out in the Untamed Lands
: where he belonged, they'd be able to rack up a few
: thousand years too. :-)

yeah, i think they should have put a quote of Myrdred's, something like a very quiet "oh, no" the nanosecond before he got wasted by shiver's death magics. he really did get 'bested' by a lowly camp follower :)

: Most of the horrible contradictions we're always
: complaining about stem from TFL, though. By Myth II
: they'd at least worked the backstory out more. :-)

true, M2 cleaned up much of the mess but left some important bits out, which is why we're here yakkin away :^)

PS: sili i saw you're pic on HL. handsome fella :P all i could manage to upload on HL was an ancient desktop pic of mine where i show off some of my collection of tools.... can't blame me with this aol 56k ugggg...

: --SiliconDream

-Welly

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