: Once you bring in Myth III, you're talking about two
: different conceptual worlds. One, the world imagined
: jointly by the Bungie team; the other, the world
: imagined jointly by the MJ team. They overlap, because
: MJ tries as far as other considerations will allow to
: remain consistent with the first two games. But new
: information brought by Myth III has no bearing on the
: original Bungie world--unless, that is, we find out
: that it was based faithfully on the TFL/Myth II design
: documents. Even then, Myth III would be slightly less
: reliable than, say, GURPS: both its creators and those
: of GURPS would have had direct access to info from
: Bungie, but only GURPS would have been edited,
: playtested and authorized by Bungie.
Actually, I think someone (Craig I think, or mb even Scott himself) has stated here that Bungie looked over their design doc and gave it the OK before MJ even got permission to make Myth III from Take Two, so there is some degree of authorization there. Which is what has been driving me so nuts - two contradictory authorized sources.
: But under the TFL definition the "Avatara"
: existed throughout the Four Ages, which we now know to
: be incorrect. And the TFL Shade definition states that
: Shades are "undead Avatara," not
: "undead Avatara plus some mean guys who
: volunteered." I think it's clear that TFL Avatara
: were any Light-oriented mages at any time, and that
: TFL Shades were all dead, reanimated Light-oriented
: mages.
Doesn't anyone remember that we've already resolved this? We looked up the quote and it said "reanimated corpses of long-dead sorcerors". We were all just misremembering it, probably because all Light sorcerors were thought to be Avatara and we assumed that undead people were all formerly Light, hence undead sorcerors were resurrected Avatara.
But that's wrong. They're just sorcerors, of any sort. So the new difference between M2 and TFL is that in TFL, it was a long-dead corpse of no particular orientation, brought back to Unlife; while in M2, living evil mages go straight to Shadehood. Of course, they could just be volunteering to be killed and brought back, while you can in fact bring back ANY mage's body.
