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Let's turn that around. It's hard to take you seriously if you think that the characters in Halo 4 were any better than Reach.
See how that works? Lines are drawn, opinions are stated, we know where we stand with each other. Now to back those opinions up.
: You can turn on any daytime soap opera and see those same
: characters portrayed in slightly less caricature. I have seen Reach's
: characters (and often plot) in countless other mediums. It is tiring by
So, Reach was pegging your Cliche-ometer, but Halo 4 wasn't? Sounds like it's time to calibrate that baby.
Let's take a look at Captain Del Rio. If you step outside the Chief's head for five minutes, you realize that Del Rio had a pretty valid reason for taking the actions he did. Well, except for driving the Infinity right into the maw of a battery of AA guns and not even bothering with recon, but I guess we have to establish how incompetent he is.
The problem is that the universe bends back around so that the only one who can see the problem is Del Rio. The writers had pigeonholed him into the role of the incompetent officer who just gets in the way, and nothing was going to change that.
And then the Didact. Hoo boy.
He had a lot of character, right? I mean, how can he look like a vampire and not be EVIL? How can he not give a speech about how the lesser races have to be dominated, and not be EVIL? Look! He's shooting the Earth with that disintegration ray of his. Not sure what' exactly it's doing, but I'm sure that it's EVIL.
Ever watch Star Trek: Nemesis? Hope so, because that's the best illustration of the Didact that I know of. He's just like Shinzon: completely ineffectual, no motive, no character. Just evil because the movie needed an antagonist.
All of Halo 4's writing successes can be attributed to the characters we love that were established by Bungie, Nylund, and the folks who did Forward Unto Dawn. The loss of Cortana works emotionally because we've had three Bungie games and three novels to get attached to them.
The Didact plotline, which was purely 343i's creation, was poorly plotted, poorly paced, poorly presented.
: And as far as stories goes, 4 outstrips Reach by leaps and bounds. It
: furthers the fiction immensely
Hehe... no. Actually, Halo 4 rolls back the fiction.
At the end of Halo 3, we had a truce with the Elites, the Great Schism was apparently still burning, and Humanity was down to 300 million survivors.
Halo 4 comes along, and the truce with the Elites was completely dismissed with "A lot can happen in four years." We're fighting the same Covenant we were fighting in Halo: CE because even an interstellar civil war can't change SOP. Humanity is fielding the Battlestar Infinity and a new class of Spartans because humanity has always been top dog in 343i's book.
: and gives you plenty of good reasons to
: fight, not just "there are random people you don't care about that
: need to be saved".
"Oh my God! The Composer is firing up! Hurry, we've got to save the faceless masses of New Pheonix!"
Oh, and about weapon redundancy... it doesn't help the game. At all.
Saying that the weapons need to be identical for balance is laughable. Even if it was true, then Halo is better off with a separate multiplayer and campaign sandbox.
Halo Reach had the Plasma Launcher, Plasma Repeater, Focus Rifle, Needle Rifle, Grenade Launcher, and Target Locator. Maybe some of the above weren't as useful in matchmaking.
Who cares? They were fun to use in campaign.
A battle rifle, a DMR, a Covenant DMR, and a Forerunner BR/DMR gets boring, fast.
(No, the target locator/whatever in Halo 4 isn't nearly as satisfying to use. Remind me, could you snipe aircraft with it, or was it purely for destroying the AA guns?)
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|You need some perspective.||Louis Wu||3/15/13 8:45 am|
|Re: You need some perspective.||Avateur||3/15/13 9:52 pm|
|Re: You need some perspective.||Louis Wu||3/16/13 11:31 am|
|Re: You need some perspective.||Avateur||3/16/13 2:38 pm|
|Re: You need some perspective.||General Vagueness||3/16/13 5:49 pm|
|Re: You need some perspective.||Avateur||3/16/13 7:02 pm|
|^Derailing This^||gamerguy2002||3/16/13 7:51 pm|
|Re: ^Derailing This^||General Vagueness||3/17/13 1:06 pm|
|Re: ^Derailing This^||Cody Miller||3/19/13 12:02 pm|
|Re: ^Derailing This^||gamerguy2002||3/20/13 8:38 am|
|Re: ^Derailing This^||Louis Wu||3/20/13 9:12 am|
|Re: ^Derailing This^||gamerguy2002||3/20/13 11:23 am|
|Re: ^Derailing This^||Louis Wu||3/20/13 12:01 pm|
|Gonna have to agree here.||UnrealCh13f||3/20/13 2:54 pm|
|Re: ^Derailing This^||gamerguy2002||3/20/13 11:00 pm|
|Re: ^Derailing This^||Louis Wu||3/20/13 11:24 pm|
|Re: ^Derailing This^||gamerguy2002||3/21/13 12:24 am|
|Re: ^Derailing This^||Louis Wu||3/21/13 12:36 am|
|Re: ^Derailing This^||gamerguy2002||3/21/13 12:50 am|
|I'm not sure how that was misleading||UnrealCh13f||3/21/13 2:06 am|
|Re: You need some perspective.||Gravemind||3/16/13 9:34 pm|
|Re: You need some perspective.||gamerguy2002||3/17/13 12:14 am|
|Re: You need some perspective.||Gravemind||3/17/13 1:48 am|
|Re: You need some perspective.||Guttsu||3/19/13 3:43 pm|
|Re: You need some perspective.||Monochron||3/20/13 1:44 pm|
|Re: You need some perspective.||General Vagueness||3/17/13 12:02 pm|
|Let's try this one more time.||Louis Wu||3/17/13 1:09 pm|
|Re: Let's try this one more time.||Avateur||3/17/13 10:02 pm|
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|Re: Let's try this one more time.||General Vagueness||3/18/13 6:20 pm|
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|Re: Let's try this one more time.||Louis Wu||3/19/13 9:06 am|
|Re: You need some perspective.||thebruce0||3/18/13 9:58 am|
|Re: You need some perspective.||DHalo||3/18/13 11:10 am|
|Re: You need some perspective.||thebruce0||3/18/13 6:21 pm|
|Re: You need some perspective.||DHalo||3/18/13 7:36 pm|
|Re: You need some perspective.||Avateur||3/18/13 9:15 pm|
|Re: You need some perspective.||Monochron||3/19/13 9:35 am|
|It's... different than Reach *NM*||ZackDark||3/19/13 11:46 am|
|Re: You need some perspective.||Quirel||3/19/13 2:02 pm|
|Re: You need some perspective.||Monochron||3/20/13 2:30 pm|
|Re: You need some perspective.||Quirel||3/20/13 6:28 pm|
|Re: You need some perspective.||Monochron||3/21/13 2:06 pm|
|Re: You need some perspective.||Avateur||3/21/13 9:45 pm|
|Re: You need some perspective.||Monochron||3/22/13 4:07 pm|
|Re: You need some perspective.||Avateur||3/22/13 10:07 pm|
|Re: You need some perspective.||UnrealCh13f||3/19/13 2:39 pm|
|Re: You need some perspective.||Gravemind||3/19/13 4:17 pm|
|Re: You need some perspective.||Monochron||3/20/13 2:25 pm|
|Re: You need some perspective.||Gravemind||3/20/13 8:28 pm|
|Re: You need some perspective.||Monochron||3/21/13 2:54 pm|
|Re: You need some perspective.||Gravemind||3/21/13 4:40 pm|
|Re: You need some perspective.||Monochron||3/21/13 5:26 pm|
|Re: You need some perspective.||Louis Wu||3/21/13 5:43 pm|
|Re: You need some perspective.||Monochron||3/21/13 6:24 pm|
|Re: You need some perspective.||MacGyver10||3/21/13 6:00 pm|
|Reach *was* better than H4||tb2571989||3/20/13 5:19 am|
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