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Re: Let's try this one more time.
By:Avateur
Date: 3/18/13 9:04 pm
In Response To: Re: Let's try this one more time. (General Vagueness)

: So you would want... what, a refund? free XBL time? free DLC? plus an
: apology? Am I way off because you tortured that metaphor beyond what's
: allowed by the Geneva Convention?

You're just not getting it. The point I'm making is the analogy is apples and oranges. I'm not saying I want anything from them. I'm saying that as a business that released a broken product, it's expected that they'd try and fix it to keep their customer base, and there's no guarantee the people they've already lost are going to come back. DHalo seems to understand what I'm getting at pretty well, even if he disagrees with how I'm going about stating it.

: This is why I called you a dipwad. How do you still not get this? The issue
: is not that you didn't say "thank you" or that you're not
: grateful or that you don't appreciate what they're doing (that's a
: secondary concern), the issue is that in response to a post about
: expressing thanks fairly you said none of them deserve any thanks, and in
: response to a post about how your previous post came across, you said it
: was intentional, and even though you said "You're right, that was a
: grade-one asshole thing to say," you didn't say that you didn't mean
: it or that you take it back. In summary,

I'm getting it just fine, you don't seem to be understanding this (or what I'm conveying). It's sort of like how you don't get what people are saying about how you replied in that thread at DBO about the logo that was chosen for DBO. First, the prior parts that you and thebruce didn't get was because my text clearly didn't convey tone very well (and that's on me, even though you apparently figured it out my tone just fine from everything else I've said). When I said oh yeah, I'm glad they put it back in, it's on a sarcastic level that absolutely does not mean, "Oh man I'm so glad and happy they put this back in! Yes!" but instead means, "I'm glad someone figured it out finally and took care of it." It's a statement from the outside, an observed statement. Why? Because I'm not personally glad, elated, or happy that it's back in. I already said quite clearly that it's too little, too late, and it's not going to have an impact for me because I've already left.

I also clearly stated that I'm not entitled to anything, I'm not owed anything by 343, none of us are owed anything by 343, and their correcting these mistakes isn't due to the fact that people asked, but because this game has numerous problems and if they want to keep customers and players and translate it into sales in the future, they're essentially obligated to fix this stuff. So again, bruce and Vagueness, I'm not literally stating that I personally am so super glad that they fixed this, and thus this is why I'm not thanking them. I'm glad they finally figured it out and took care of business because it would have only been that much sadder if they didn't. I think Snipe's reply says it all:

Holy expletive, the game can be saved. *NM*

Now onto the part about the agreeing about the grade-1 asshole part. That's because what I said, standing there by itself, was a pretty grade-1 asshole thing to say. It's not hard to admit. Saying what I did, as if this was 343's only (or one of a few) mistakes, and they go out of their way to fix it, would look entirely ungrateful. It needed to be qualified, and when I made that initial post I had no intention of qualifying it. I should have thought that through and that's shameful on my part. I can recognize that and then elaborate on my overall thought process when making a post like that. And I did. I think I've qualified it enough at this point (justify it, excuse it, however you want to put it), and there's no need to rehash the fact that I feel there's no thanks deserved or given for fixing one thing out of many, many other issues.

I'd say I'm done hashing it out with you. You'll get it or you won't. You disagree with me, I disagree with you. That's all this boils down to at this point, and now it's just repetitive (this post included).


Messages In This Thread

3-13-13 BulletinGrimBrother One3/14/13 1:12 am
     BIG news in this one. Red X's. *NM*uberfoop3/14/13 1:15 am
           Holy expletive, the game can be saved. *NM*Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316)3/14/13 2:15 am
           It's a miracle! *NM*Gravemind3/14/13 3:09 am
           I'm surprised this wasn't around to begin with *NM*TDSpiral3/14/13 4:05 am
           All Hail Bravo! *NM*zoojoo3/14/13 9:17 am
                 Why does Bravo get the thanks? *NM*UnrealCh13f3/14/13 4:00 pm
                       Nah I'm good Unreal *NM*Avateur3/14/13 8:38 pm
                             Re: Nah I'm good UnrealGeneral Vagueness3/15/13 12:14 am
                                   Re: Nah I'm good UnrealAvateur3/15/13 1:32 am
                                         You need some perspective.Louis Wu3/15/13 8:45 am
                                               Re: You need some perspective.Avateur3/15/13 9:52 pm
                                                     Re: You need some perspective.Louis Wu3/16/13 11:31 am
                                                           Re: You need some perspective.Avateur3/16/13 2:38 pm
                                                     Re: You need some perspective.General Vagueness3/16/13 5:49 pm
                                                           Re: You need some perspective.Avateur3/16/13 7:02 pm
                                                                 ^Derailing This^gamerguy20023/16/13 7:51 pm
                                                                       Re: ^Derailing This^General Vagueness3/17/13 1:06 pm
                                                                       Re: ^Derailing This^Cody Miller3/19/13 12:02 pm
                                                                             Re: ^Derailing This^gamerguy20023/20/13 8:38 am
                                                                                   Re: ^Derailing This^Louis Wu3/20/13 9:12 am
                                                                                         Re: ^Derailing This^gamerguy20023/20/13 11:23 am
                                                                                               Re: ^Derailing This^Louis Wu3/20/13 12:01 pm
                                                                                                     Gonna have to agree here.UnrealCh13f3/20/13 2:54 pm
                                                                                                     Re: ^Derailing This^gamerguy20023/20/13 11:00 pm
                                                                                                           Re: ^Derailing This^Louis Wu3/20/13 11:24 pm
                                                                                                                 Re: ^Derailing This^gamerguy20023/21/13 12:24 am
                                                                                                                       Re: ^Derailing This^Louis Wu3/21/13 12:36 am
                                                                                                                             Re: ^Derailing This^gamerguy20023/21/13 12:50 am
                                                                                                                                   I'm not sure how that was misleadingUnrealCh13f3/21/13 2:06 am
                                                                 Re: You need some perspective.Gravemind3/16/13 9:34 pm
                                                                       Re: You need some perspective.gamerguy20023/17/13 12:14 am
                                                                             Re: You need some perspective.Gravemind3/17/13 1:48 am
                                                                       Re: You need some perspective.Guttsu3/19/13 3:43 pm
                                                                             Re: You need some perspective.Monochron3/20/13 1:44 pm
                                                                 Re: You need some perspective.General Vagueness3/17/13 12:02 pm
                                                                 Let's try this one more time.Louis Wu3/17/13 1:09 pm
                                                                       Re: Let's try this one more time.Avateur3/17/13 10:02 pm
                                                                             My two centsDHalo3/18/13 12:18 am
                                                                             Re: Let's try this one more time.General Vagueness3/18/13 6:20 pm
                                                                                   Re: Let's try this one more time.Avateur3/18/13 9:04 pm
                                                                                         Re: Let's try this one more time.Louis Wu3/19/13 9:06 am
                                                                 Re: You need some perspective.thebruce03/18/13 9:58 am
                                                                       Re: You need some perspective.DHalo3/18/13 11:10 am
                                                                             Re: You need some perspective.thebruce03/18/13 6:21 pm
                                                                                   Re: You need some perspective.DHalo3/18/13 7:36 pm
                                                                                         Re: You need some perspective.Avateur3/18/13 9:15 pm
                                                                                         Re: You need some perspective.Monochron3/19/13 9:35 am
                                                                                               It's... different than Reach *NM*ZackDark3/19/13 11:46 am
                                                                                               Re: You need some perspective.Quirel3/19/13 2:02 pm
                                                                                                     Re: You need some perspective.Monochron3/20/13 2:30 pm
                                                                                                           Re: You need some perspective.Quirel3/20/13 6:28 pm
                                                                                                                 Re: You need some perspective.Monochron3/21/13 2:06 pm
                                                                                                                       Re: You need some perspective.Avateur3/21/13 9:45 pm
                                                                                                                             Re: You need some perspective.Monochron3/22/13 4:07 pm
                                                                                                                                   Re: You need some perspective.Avateur3/22/13 10:07 pm
                                                                                               Re: You need some perspective.UnrealCh13f3/19/13 2:39 pm
                                                                                               Re: You need some perspective.Gravemind3/19/13 4:17 pm
                                                                                                     Re: You need some perspective.Monochron3/20/13 2:25 pm
                                                                                                           Re: You need some perspective.Gravemind3/20/13 8:28 pm
                                                                                                                 Re: You need some perspective.Monochron3/21/13 2:54 pm
                                                                                                                       Re: You need some perspective.Gravemind3/21/13 4:40 pm
                                                                                                                             Re: You need some perspective.Monochron3/21/13 5:26 pm
                                                                                                                                   Re: You need some perspective.Louis Wu3/21/13 5:43 pm
                                                                                                                                         Re: You need some perspective.Monochron3/21/13 6:24 pm
                                                                                                                                   Re: You need some perspective.MacGyver103/21/13 6:00 pm
                                                                                               Reach *was* better than H4tb25719893/20/13 5:19 am
                                         Re: Nah I'm good UnrealGeneral Vagueness3/15/13 7:38 pm
                                               Re: Nah I'm good UnrealGrimBrother One3/16/13 1:18 am
                                                     Re: Nah I'm good UnrealGeneral Vagueness3/16/13 5:36 pm
                       Just pinning a face on it, buddy. *NM*zoojoo3/15/13 12:35 am
     Re: 3-13-13 Bulletingamerguy20023/14/13 11:43 am
     Re: 3-13-13 BulletinChrisTheeCrappy3/14/13 12:42 pm
           Re: 3-13-13 Bulletinpete_the_duck3/14/13 12:50 pm
                 Re: 3-13-13 BulletinChrisTheeCrappy3/14/13 2:23 pm
                       Re: 3-13-13 Bulletingamerguy20023/14/13 2:49 pm
                             Re: 3-13-13 Bulletinpete_the_duck3/14/13 4:06 pm
                                   Re: 3-13-13 BulletinGeneral Vagueness3/15/13 12:12 am
     Re: 3-13-13 BulletinMacGyver103/14/13 1:50 pm

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