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Re: Zat. Is not an M7 SMG.
By:Quirel
Date: 8/14/14 7:10 am
In Response To: Re: Zat. Is not an M7 SMG. (Vincent)

: An M7 using cased ammo isn't without precedent. They were used in Halo
: Legends, the one with the ODSTs (I forget the name).

Nope. Not canon. Didn't happen.

Seriously, that had to be a mistake on the part of the animators. A caseless firearm that can shoot cased ammo is utterly absurd. Take apart the HK G11 prototype and it looks like clockwork on the inside. The firing chamber has to be designed to withstand heat, high pressure and erosion to a degree far beyond what's needed for conventional firearms. It has to be designed to hermetically seal hundreds of times per minute because there's no brass casing to form a gas seal, and it's got to dump heat easily somehow, because there's no brass casing to act as a disposable heat sink for every shot.

That's a whole lot of engineering and finagling to get caseless firearms to work, and the end result is that the gun is super-specialized in what it fires. Hell, it's missing an entire step of the fire-extract-load process that all self-loading weapons have. No ejection port, no extractor.

So, an M7 SMG that fires cased rounds? Animator's mistake. If 343i backs it, I'm going to scream.


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