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Re: Very disappointed
By:davidfuchs
Date: 7/2/16 9:59 pm
In Response To: Re: Very disappointed (Tuckerscreator)

: Perhaps, but that raises the question of why Cortana didn't do that.

: Because fictional worlds aren't real, the creators can invent a reason for
: anything to justify their own prejudices. So there being an obscure
: throwaway line to rationalize the male character being treated more
: equally than the female character doesn't nullify the sexism at the heart
: of the issue. Here's a good short video explaining that.

Well, I see several issues when we talk about these sorts of things.

The first is that, as a fan, and a lore nerd, the fictional world *is* what takes primacy. Because being internally consistent in a major part of its appeal. To use the video example you picked, there's a world of difference between "there are AIs that choose to be naked" is a far cry from "I feel like this is torture porn of women." Halo is consistent in its depiction of AIs, and I don't see Cortana looking "naked" or "nekkid" or whatever as a big issue. I thought H2 Cortana was a better look, and now H5 Cortana is gonna' run around in hard light armor as she deludes herself into being the galaxy's white knight. And that's about as much as I thought about it. She could be dressed in a hijab and you'd still have some guys making Source Filmmaker porn of her.

The second issue is why I should care. And at this point, people tell me it's sexist, or that it's damaging, and I just don't buy it. To use the comic mentioned earlier, I'm a 100% heterosexual dude, but if gay guys or women want to throw their ideal of sexually attractive men into a video game, I don't have issues with it, because I don't have issues with that sort of content in general. It's an entertainment medium about escapism and fantasy, why not have hot women and men? There are cases where it might not fit the tone and themes of the work in question—yeah, I can't see a situation where Halo 6 has a sex scene at the Covenant space brothel and it makes sense for the game—but ultimately I'm not concerned about this purported "damage" of an attractive character who doesn't appear to wear clothes. We'll already figured out that violent video games don't cause normal individuals to go run down hookers and go on murder sprees, so the idea that sexy women and men will cause similar harm is hilarious to me.


Messages In This Thread

Lingerie is not ArmorCody Miller6/26/16 8:39 pm
     Re: Lingerie is not Armordavidfuchs6/26/16 10:38 pm
           Re: Lingerie is not ArmorCody Miller6/27/16 12:57 am
                 halo 5, halo warsscarab6/27/16 2:38 am
                 Re: Lingerie is not ArmorMacGyver106/27/16 11:38 am
                       Re: Lingerie is not ArmorCody Miller6/27/16 1:35 pm
                             Re: Lingerie is not ArmorThe BS Police6/27/16 1:42 pm
                             Re: Lingerie is not ArmorMacGyver106/27/16 3:54 pm
                             Re: Lingerie is not ArmorGeneral Vagueness6/28/16 9:16 pm
     Re: Lingerie is not ArmorThe BS Police6/26/16 11:33 pm
           I care ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ *NM*kidtsunami6/27/16 9:22 am
           Re: Lingerie is not ArmorNikko B2016/27/16 1:20 pm
                 Re: Lingerie is not ArmorCody Miller6/27/16 1:37 pm
                 Re: Lingerie is not ArmorThe BS Police6/27/16 1:39 pm
                 Re: Lingerie is not ArmorThe Loot7/12/16 7:14 am
     Re: Lingerie is not ArmorStretchy6/27/16 1:41 pm
     That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...munky-0586/27/16 5:51 pm
           Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...thebruce06/28/16 9:22 am
                 Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...munky-0586/28/16 10:13 am
                       Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...thebruce06/28/16 2:11 pm
                             Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...munky-0586/28/16 2:33 pm
                                   Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...thebruce06/28/16 6:38 pm
                                   Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...bluerunner6/29/16 2:23 pm
                                         Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...thebruce06/29/16 6:50 pm
                                               Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...bluerunner6/29/16 10:22 pm
                                                     "I say Zoe gets nekkid... I could get nekkid." *NM*munky-0586/30/16 9:07 am
                                                     Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...Quirel7/1/16 12:48 am
                                                           "Woo-woo Wu"? *NM*MacGyver107/1/16 10:51 am
                                                                 This...Louis Wu7/7/16 3:02 pm
           Re: Very disappointedkidtsunami6/29/16 12:49 pm
                 Re: Very disappointedGeneral Vagueness6/29/16 4:27 pm
                       Re: Very disappointedCody Miller7/2/16 6:42 pm
                             Re: Very disappointedmunky-0587/2/16 7:28 pm
                                   Re: Very disappointedTuckerscreator7/2/16 7:32 pm
                                         Re: Very disappointeddavidfuchs7/2/16 7:39 pm
                                               Re: Very disappointedTuckerscreator7/2/16 7:52 pm
                                                     Re: Very disappointedQuirel7/2/16 9:29 pm
                                                     Re: Very disappointeddavidfuchs7/2/16 9:59 pm
                                                           ^This guy said it better. *NM*Quirel7/3/16 4:30 am
                                                           Re: Very disappointedCody Miller7/3/16 4:58 pm
                                                                 Re: Very disappointeddavidfuchs7/3/16 10:50 pm
                                                                       Re: Very disappointedCody Miller7/4/16 4:33 am
                                                                             Re: Very disappointeddavidfuchs7/4/16 9:47 am
                                                                             Re: Very disappointedthebruce07/4/16 10:54 am
                                                                                   Re: Very disappointedTuckerscreator7/4/16 2:10 pm
                                                                 Re: Very disappointedThe Loot7/12/16 7:18 am
                                                     Re: Very disappointedCody Miller7/3/16 4:44 pm
                             Re: Very disappointedTuckerscreator7/2/16 7:31 pm
                                   Re: Very disappointedQuirel7/2/16 9:02 pm
                                         Re: Very disappointedTuckerscreator7/4/16 2:09 pm
                                   Re: Very disappointedthebruce07/4/16 11:00 am
                                         Re: Very disappointedTuckerscreator7/4/16 2:12 pm
                                               Someone doesn't remember Reach... *NM*davidfuchs7/4/16 3:24 pm
                                                     yes that had the best butts in all of Haloscarab7/4/16 3:35 pm
                                                           Re: yes that had the best butts in all of HaloGrizzlei7/4/16 4:07 pm
                                                                 fem.six.butt.should.be.canon.net *NM*scarab7/4/16 4:28 pm
                                                                 Re: yes that had the best butts in all of Halodavidfuchs7/4/16 4:41 pm
                                                                       Re: yes that had the best butts in all of HaloGrizzlei7/4/16 7:32 pm
                                                                 Re: yes that had the best butts in all of HaloQuirel7/4/16 10:02 pm
                                                                       Re: yes that had the best butts in all of Halodavidfuchs7/4/16 11:20 pm
                                                                             Re: yes that had the best butts in all of HaloGrizzlei7/5/16 7:08 am
                                                                                   They can still do that.Quirel7/5/16 12:13 pm
                                                                                         Re: They can still do that.Grizzlei7/5/16 3:37 pm
                                                                                               Re: They can still do that.Tuckerscreator7/6/16 12:49 am
                                                                                                     Re: They can still do that.Grizzlei7/6/16 12:07 pm
                                                                                         Re: They can still do that.Cody Miller7/5/16 6:04 pm
                                                                                   Re: yes that had the best butts in all of HaloNikGntre7/23/16 3:34 am
                                                                                         You must have eagle eyesscarab7/25/16 2:11 am
                                                                                               Re: You must have eagle eyesTuckerscreator7/25/16 3:57 am
                                                                                                     Ah! the big image, fem 6, is here *img*scarab7/25/16 4:38 am
                                                                                                           Admins: I just hotlinked directly to an imagescarab7/25/16 4:40 am
                                                                                                                 DOH that doesn't help: a link is a linkscarab7/25/16 4:43 am
                                                                                                                       How's this?Gravemind7/25/16 10:31 am
                                                                                                                             Geez, guys.Kermit7/25/16 12:04 pm
                                                                                                                                   ...Gravemind7/25/16 4:09 pm
                                                                                                                                   Our Savior! :-)scarab7/26/16 12:58 pm
                                                                                                                                   This thread is funniness. *NM*thebruce07/26/16 2:38 pm
                                                                                               Re: You must have eagle eyesNikGntre7/25/16 6:20 pm
                                                                             Re: yes that had the best butts in all of HaloThe Loot7/12/16 7:23 am
                                                                       Re: yes that had the best butts in all of Halomunky-0587/23/16 10:25 am
                                                     I was talking about Sloan. :p *NM*Tuckerscreator7/4/16 7:28 pm
                                   Re: Very disappointedThe Loot7/12/16 7:16 am
                                         Re: Very disappointedTuckerscreator7/12/16 1:46 pm
                                               Re: Very disappointedThe Loot7/13/16 12:23 am
                                               Re: Very disappointedscarab7/13/16 12:43 pm
                                                     Re: Very disappointedTuckerscreator7/13/16 2:24 pm
                                                           That's pretty interesting stuff *NM*scarab7/13/16 2:50 pm
                                               Re: Very disappointedQuirel7/14/16 3:33 am
                                                     Re: Very disappointedTuckerscreator7/14/16 3:38 am
                                                           Re: Very disappointedQuirel7/14/16 4:02 am
                                         Re: Very disappointedGeneral Vagueness7/12/16 1:56 pm
                                               Re: Very disappointedGrizzlei7/12/16 2:14 pm
                                                     Re: Very disappointedChrisTheeCrappy7/12/16 3:36 pm
                                                           Re: Very disappointedGrizzlei7/12/16 5:54 pm
                                                                 Re: Very disappointedChrisTheeCrappy7/12/16 7:12 pm
                                                           Re: Very disappointedQuirel7/14/16 4:28 am
                                               Re: Very disappointedThe Loot7/13/16 12:31 am
                                                     Re: Very disappointedGrizzlei7/13/16 12:48 am
                                                           👍🏾 *NM*kidtsunami7/13/16 11:06 am
                                                           Whatever happened to...Quirel7/14/16 1:44 am
                                               Re: Very disappointedSchooly D7/13/16 4:23 pm
                                                     Re: Very disappointedGeneral Vagueness7/13/16 6:44 pm
                                                     Re: Very disappointedGeneral Vagueness7/13/16 6:58 pm
                                                           Re: Very disappointedSchooly D7/14/16 12:42 am
                                                                 Re: Very disappointedKermit7/14/16 12:39 pm
                                                                       Re: Very disappointedSchooly D7/14/16 12:54 pm
                                                                       Re: Very disappointedCody Miller7/14/16 4:08 pm
                                                                             Re: Very disappointedKermit7/14/16 8:24 pm
                                                                                   Re: Very disappointedthebruce07/15/16 9:44 am
                                                                                         Re: Very disappointedKermit7/15/16 2:28 pm
                                                                             Re: Very disappointedGeneral Vagueness7/14/16 8:44 pm
                                                                 Re: Very disappointedGeneral Vagueness7/14/16 8:20 pm
                                                                 Re: Very disappointedGeneral Vagueness7/14/16 8:50 pm
                                                                       Re: Very disappointedCody Miller7/15/16 3:08 pm
                                                                             Re: Very disappointedGeneral Vagueness7/15/16 6:50 pm
                                                                                   Sorry SchoolyCody Miller7/19/16 7:04 pm
                             Re: Very disappointedGeneral Vagueness7/3/16 12:40 pm
                                   Re: Very disappointedthebruce07/4/16 11:05 am
                                         Re: Very disappointedGeneral Vagueness7/5/16 4:17 pm
                                   Re: Very disappointedTuckerscreator7/4/16 2:14 pm
                                         Re: Very disappointedThe BS Police7/4/16 3:43 pm
                                               ........ *NM*kidtsunami7/4/16 3:47 pm
                                                     Neogaf measured it *NM*The BS Police7/5/16 1:41 am
                                                           So did Mr. Loftus. *NM*Quirel7/5/16 2:14 am
                                                                 OK Mr Loftus what are Sloans dimensions?scarab7/5/16 2:44 am
                                                                       Re: OK Mr Loftus what are Sloans dimensions?MacGyver107/5/16 1:41 pm
                                                                       Re: OK Mr Loftus what are Sloans dimensions?davidfuchs7/6/16 1:10 pm
                                                                       Re: OK Mr Loftus what are Sloans dimensions?Stephen L. (SoundEffect)7/7/16 12:16 pm
                                                                             Re: OK Mr Loftus what are Sloans dimensions?scarab7/8/16 2:36 am
                                                                                   Re: OK Mr Loftus what are Sloans dimensions?Stephen L. (SoundEffect)7/8/16 9:54 am
           Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...Kermit7/7/16 12:10 pm
                 My kingdom for an edit button over here! :) *NM*Kermit7/7/16 12:48 pm
                 Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...Cody Miller7/7/16 5:51 pm
                       Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...Kermit7/7/16 7:22 pm
                 Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...General Vagueness7/8/16 5:58 pm
                       Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...Kermit7/8/16 7:46 pm
                             Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...General Vagueness7/9/16 2:11 am
                                   Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...Tuckerscreator7/9/16 3:47 am
                                   Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...Kermit7/9/16 7:39 pm
                                         Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...General Vagueness7/11/16 11:24 pm
                             Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...Cody Miller7/15/16 3:39 pm
                                   +1 *NM*kidtsunami7/15/16 4:30 pm
                                   Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...General Vagueness7/15/16 6:27 pm
                                         Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...Cody Miller7/15/16 8:20 pm
                                   Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...Kermit7/17/16 7:42 pm
                                         Re: That modern-feminist trash is frustrating...General Vagueness7/18/16 1:49 pm
     Re: Lingerie is not ArmorGrizzlei6/27/16 6:14 pm
           +1 *NM*kidtsunami6/27/16 6:19 pm
           +2 *NM*robofin1176/28/16 1:21 pm

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