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Re: Here's why everything is wrong.
By:Morhek
Date: 9/4/15 6:20 am
In Response To: Re: Here's why everything is wrong. (The BS Police)

: I think you ought to remember this short as well. The constant negativity
: over Spartans being Spartans is annoying.

: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv81xI1JaBs
Oof.

There were a couple of really good episodes in Legends, and some really good moments in the episodes I didn't like. This was a case of the latter. Right up until they reach the "package," it's pretty good, though Arthur and Solomon die far too easily. And then it descends into a banter-off between John and the fifteen year old girl who's pretending to be Halsey. And it ends on a line that should be coming from the mouth of Goku, not the Master Chief.

Other than that, I'm with you on the Covenant. I wish they were a more intimidating presence again, but I understand and can accept why they're not.

I don't have a problem with Osiris. They feel professional without feeling faceless, characters without being Characters. But Majestic set the tone for the IVs, and starting out with a dudebro machismo-off in the first cutscene about making sure the colonists daughters are taken care off didn't endear me to them. Escalation has done much to "fix" that, with Thorne and Ray both stepping up and showing why they deserve to be Spartans, and I'm already more invested in Osiris as characters than I expected to be, but for the most part the IVs still come across as knockoffs.

We saw why the IIs could do what they could, and what they sacrificed to be able to do it. We saw the IIIs go through their own trials and tribulations. They all earned the right to be called Spartans in the eyes of the audience. The IVs feel like the ones who got it handed to them on a silver platter, without "earning" it. Which isn't true, lore-wise - they've all done things that marked them out, or they wouldn't be there. But we didn't SEE that process. 343i have been fixing that somewhat - we've seen Tanaka in action, proving why she deserves to be there; we've seen Vale prove her particular skillset is Spartan-worthy; and Buck, of course, goes without saying. And Locke is ONI's man through and through, so of course he'd get the augmentations, though I hear Nightfall wasn't as well-recieved as it could have been. But seeing Palmer and co. fail basic teamwork exercises in Initiation, not to mention the Ilsa Zane fiasco and the sheer number of defections compared to previous programs, don't give me confidence in them. Moreover, Palmer's behaviour reflects a fundamental flaw that the S-IVs need to have fixed - arrogance. I'm still half-convinced Palmer's being set up, narratively, for a fall that punishes her hubris, teaches her that singlemindedness and audacity do not a Spartan make.

Again, I'm just saying this to outline why Osiris are such a huge step forward in getting us to accept the IVs are, if not quite just as good as the IIs, then still good in their own right. Showing us their backstories, why they earned Spartan status, what they can do, and differentiating them, all goes a huge way to making them seem like the hypercompetent warfighters they're supposed to be. Also, I had that rant in me for a while, and it all came out at once.


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New Trailer/Opening CinematicVAVA Mk28/31/15 9:52 pm
     Re: New Trailer/Opening CinematicThe BS Police8/31/15 9:56 pm
           Re: New Trailer/Opening CinematicVAVA Mk28/31/15 10:00 pm
     Woah.Grizzlei8/31/15 10:00 pm
           Re: Woah.zofinda8/31/15 10:05 pm
                 Re: Woah.Grizzlei8/31/15 10:14 pm
                       Re: Woah.zofinda8/31/15 10:24 pm
                             Re: Woah.Grizzlei8/31/15 10:35 pm
     Holy hell *NM*Apollo8/31/15 10:06 pm
     Why buzzfeed?Revenant19888/31/15 10:07 pm
           Re: Why buzzfeed?VAVA Mk28/31/15 10:11 pm
                 Re: Why buzzfeed?zofinda8/31/15 10:25 pm
                 Re: Why buzzfeed?spu7n1k8/31/15 11:18 pm
                 Re: Why buzzfeed?uberfoop8/31/15 11:41 pm
     Holy crap! That was awesome!Gravemind8/31/15 10:32 pm
           Re: Holy crap! That was awesome!Grizzlei8/31/15 10:34 pm
                 Re: Holy crap! That was awesome!Gravemind8/31/15 10:52 pm
     Re: New Trailer/Opening Cinematicserpx8/31/15 11:02 pm
           Re: New Trailer/Opening Cinematicarithmomaniac8/31/15 11:41 pm
     Re: New Trailer/Opening CinematicMorhek8/31/15 11:15 pm
     Okay.uberfoop8/31/15 11:32 pm
           life must be hard for you *NM*Bounce-A-Gon9/1/15 12:41 am
                 Hey, Mr. Sunshine!Quirel9/1/15 12:43 am
                       that is was bad and shouldnt do it. :P *NM*Bounce-A-Gon9/1/15 1:03 am
                             Re: *Sprays water at Josh* Bad Kitty! *NM*Hyokin9/1/15 1:24 am
                 Needs less tsun-tsun and more dere-dere. ^_^ *NM*Gravemind9/1/15 1:24 am
                       Re: Needs less tsun-tsun and more dere-dere. ^_^tadboz9/1/15 9:20 pm
           Re: Okay.asa9/1/15 12:23 pm
                 Re: Okay.MacGyver109/1/15 1:23 pm
     Impressively cheesy.Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316)9/1/15 2:06 am
           Good lord fuck off *NM*Apollo9/1/15 9:15 am
           Re: Impressively cheesy.General Vagueness9/2/15 12:17 am
     Meh.Quirel9/1/15 2:22 am
           Re: Meh.Vincent9/1/15 3:17 am
                 Re: Meh.ArteenEsben9/1/15 6:47 am
                       Re: Meh.Stormwing9/1/15 9:04 am
                             Re: Meh.ArteenEsben9/1/15 6:00 pm
           Re: Meh.kidtsunami9/1/15 4:21 pm
                 Re: Meh.zofinda9/1/15 5:24 pm
                 Re: Meh.Quirel9/1/15 11:39 pm
                       Hahakidtsunami9/2/15 10:53 am
           Re: Meh.Cody Miller9/1/15 7:19 pm
                 Re: Meh.Quirel9/2/15 1:49 am
     O_OJaydee9/1/15 2:53 am
           Re: O_Ozofinda9/1/15 4:17 pm
     Nicekidtsunami9/1/15 8:29 am
           Re: Nicedavidfuchs9/1/15 9:32 am
     Best partkanbo9/1/15 12:27 pm
     Enjoyed that. *NM*yakaman9/1/15 1:35 pm
     Age of Ultron called. They want their intro back.munky-0589/1/15 2:29 pm
     Translated the binary at :26Toby Dillman9/1/15 9:16 pm
           Re: Translated the binary at :26thebruce09/2/15 9:48 am
     Re: New Trailer/Opening CinematicGeneral Vagueness9/2/15 1:48 pm
     Michael Bay dreams of things like that... *NM*The Loot9/3/15 4:43 am
     One step forward, two steps backPaused9/3/15 3:15 pm
           Re: One step forward, two steps backGrizzlei9/3/15 3:51 pm
                 +1 *NM*kidtsunami9/3/15 3:57 pm
                 Re: One step forward, two steps backzofinda9/3/15 6:40 pm
                       Re: One step forward, two steps backGrizzlei9/3/15 6:51 pm
                       Re: One step forward, two steps backthebruce09/4/15 10:28 am
                 Re: One step forward, two steps backPaused9/5/15 6:20 pm
     Re: New Trailer/Opening CinematicDrdoctor9/3/15 5:07 pm
           A more clinical/less showy Blue Team? A++ *NM*kidtsunami9/3/15 5:10 pm
     Here's why everything is wrong.Bones9/3/15 9:04 pm
           this forum is dead long live the forum *NM*Bounce-A-Gon9/3/15 9:52 pm
                 So, I take it no thoughts, then? *NM*Bones9/3/15 10:58 pm
           Re: Here's why everything is wrong.Revenant19889/3/15 11:15 pm
                 Re: Here's why everything is wrong.Bones9/4/15 12:03 am
                       Re: Here's why everything is wrong.The BS Police9/4/15 2:26 am
                             Re: Here's why everything is wrong.Masterz13379/4/15 2:58 am
                                   Re: Here's why everything is wrong.Quirel9/4/15 4:22 am
                                         Re: Here's why everything is wrong.thebruce09/4/15 10:32 am
                                               Hate to break it to youkidtsunami9/4/15 10:38 am
                                                     Re: Hate to break it to youthebruce09/4/15 10:41 am
                                                           Re: Hate to break it to youMacGyver109/4/15 11:30 am
                                                                 Re: Hate to break it to youQuirel9/4/15 11:47 am
                                                                       Re: Hate to break it to youdavidfuchs9/4/15 11:48 am
                                                                             Re: Hate to break it to youQuirel9/4/15 2:37 pm
                                                                       Re: Hate to break it to youMacGyver109/4/15 11:53 am
                                                                             Re: Hate to break it to youQuirel9/4/15 12:35 pm
                                                                                   Re: Hate to break it to youMacGyver109/4/15 3:01 pm
                                                                                         Re: Hate to break it to youQuirel9/8/15 5:41 pm
                                                                                               Re: Hate to break it to youGeneral Vagueness9/8/15 5:57 pm
                                                                                                     Re: Hate to break it to youMacGyver109/8/15 6:15 pm
                                                                                                     Re: Hate to break it to youQuirel9/9/15 1:51 am
                                                                                                           cite your source q *NM*Bounce-A-Gon9/9/15 5:54 am
                                                                 Re: Hate to break it to youthebruce09/4/15 1:28 pm
                                                                       Re: Hate to break it to youQuirel9/4/15 1:33 pm
                                                           Re: More like football players...*IMG*Hyokin9/4/15 12:06 pm
                                                                 Great Sales pitchBounce-A-Gon9/4/15 12:22 pm
                                                                 Re: More like football players...*IMG*thebruce09/4/15 1:31 pm
                                                     The funny thing about that...munky-0589/4/15 2:51 pm
                                                           Re: The funny thing about that...MacGyver109/4/15 3:12 pm
                                   Re: Here's why everything is wrong.General Vagueness9/4/15 2:15 pm
                             Re: Here's why everything is wrong.Morhek9/4/15 6:20 am
                       Some thoughts and a jokeQuirel9/4/15 1:25 pm
                             Re: Some thoughts and a jokeBones9/4/15 2:00 pm
                                   Re: Some thoughts and a jokeQuirel9/9/15 6:06 pm
                             +1Leviathan9/4/15 2:21 pm
                                   Re: +1thebruce09/4/15 3:48 pm
                 Spartans are power rangersMasterz13379/4/15 12:55 pm
                       Re: That made me so happy.Hyokin9/4/15 4:08 pm
                 Re: Here's why everything is wrong.General Vagueness9/4/15 2:04 pm
           Here's Why That's Irrelevantdavidfuchs9/4/15 9:28 am
                 I'd argue otherwise, Davey.Bones9/4/15 10:27 am
                       Re: I'd argue otherwise, Davey.davidfuchs9/4/15 11:06 am
                             Re: I'd argue otherwise, Davey.Bones9/4/15 12:23 pm
                                   Re: I'd argue otherwise, Davey.thebruce09/4/15 1:51 pm
           The Big Questionserpx9/4/15 3:02 pm
                 Re: The Big QuestionMacGyver109/4/15 3:20 pm
           About all of the negativity here.Quirel9/4/15 3:19 pm
                 Re: About all of the negativity here.Revenant19889/4/15 9:26 pm
                       Re: About all of the negativity here.spu7n1k9/4/15 11:51 pm
                             Re: About all of the negativity here.asa9/5/15 3:45 pm
                             Re: About all of the negativity here.Apollo9/6/15 11:10 pm
                                   The negativity is everywhere.Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316)9/7/15 2:25 am
                                         ^responds with negativity *NM*Bounce-A-Gon9/7/15 2:37 am
                                               alsoBounce-A-Gon9/7/15 3:24 am
                                                     Re: alsoGrizzlei9/7/15 3:55 am
                                                     Really? *NM*Tex9/8/15 10:58 am
                                         Re: The negativity is everywhere.Jaydee9/7/15 3:41 am
                                               *side eyes* *NM*Grizzlei9/7/15 3:53 am
                                                     Re: *side eyes*thebruce09/8/15 10:04 am
                                               Re: The negativity is everywhere.Bounce-A-Gon9/7/15 3:56 am
                                               Re: The negativity is everywhere.Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316)9/7/15 8:43 am
                                               Just joined Halo Archive. *NM*robofin1179/7/15 8:21 pm
                                         Re: The negativity is everywhere.bluerunner9/7/15 8:21 am
                                               Re: The negativity is everywhere.Leviathan9/7/15 11:40 am
                                                     Re: The negativity is everywhere.cheapLEY9/7/15 2:24 pm
                                                           Yup. *NM*robofin1179/7/15 8:08 pm
                                               Re: The negativity is everywhere.Quirel9/9/15 6:06 pm
                                                     Re: The negativity is everywhere.bluerunner9/9/15 7:53 pm
                                                           Re: The negativity is everywhere.Grizzlei9/9/15 7:59 pm
                                                                 Re: The negativity is everywhere.bluerunner9/9/15 8:03 pm
                                                                       Re: The negativity is everywhere.robofin1179/10/15 12:12 am
                                                                             Re: The negativity is everywhere.Grizzlei9/10/15 12:30 am
                                                                             Re: The negativity is everywhere.Quirel9/10/15 2:34 am
                                                                                   oh you *NM*kidtsunami9/10/15 8:00 am
                                                           Re: The negativity is everywhere.Quirel9/10/15 2:34 am
                                                           Re: The negativity is everywhere.Kermit9/10/15 7:33 pm
                                         Negativity? On the internet? You don't say?Gravemind9/7/15 2:31 pm
                                         Re: The negativity is everywhere.General Vagueness9/7/15 7:50 pm
                                         Re: Halo 5 seems more Halo than usualkidtsunami9/8/15 12:17 pm
                                               Re: Halo 5 seems more Halo than usualJoe Duplessie (SNIPE 316)9/8/15 1:41 pm
                                                     I love that Halo is slowerkidtsunami9/8/15 7:22 pm
                                   Re: About all of the negativity here.Quirel9/8/15 5:38 pm
                                         Honest QuestionMacGyver109/8/15 6:09 pm
                                               Re: Honest QuestionRevenant19889/8/15 9:21 pm
                                               Re: Honest QuestionQuirel9/9/15 4:26 pm
                                                     Re: Honest QuestionGeneral Vagueness9/9/15 5:57 pm
                                                           This.cheapLEY9/10/15 2:04 am
                                                                 "Death2Halo? Joke's on him, Halo is already dead!"munky-0589/11/15 11:25 am
                                                                       Re: "Death2Halo? Joke's on him, Halo is already deGrizzlei9/11/15 4:21 pm
                                                                             Re: "Death2Halo? Joke's on him, Halo is already demunky-0589/11/15 6:10 pm
                                                                                   Re: "Death2Halo? Joke's on him, Halo is already deasa9/11/15 6:57 pm
                                                                                   Re: "Death2Halo? Joke's on him, Halo is already deGeneral Vagueness9/11/15 7:01 pm
                                                                                   Re: "Death2Halo? Joke's on him, Halo is already deThe BS Police9/12/15 9:25 pm
                                                                       Re: "Death2Halo? Joke's on him, Halo is already deGeneral Vagueness9/11/15 6:04 pm
                                         Re: About all of the negativity here.General Vagueness9/8/15 6:15 pm
                       Re: About all of the negativity here.Cody Miller9/5/15 10:44 pm
                             Re: About all of the negativity here.MacGyver109/8/15 12:20 am
                             Re: About all of the negativity here.The BS Police9/8/15 1:50 pm
                                   Re: About all of the negativity here. *IMG*Hyokin9/8/15 2:54 pm
                 Halo.343hate.org *NM*Bounce-A-Gon9/5/15 11:40 pm

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