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Re: I'd argue otherwise, Davey.
By:thebruce0
Date: 9/4/15 1:51 pm
In Response To: Re: I'd argue otherwise, Davey. (Bones)

: I think you're getting caught up in the minutia while I was speaking more to
: the bigger picture, the precedent of mood and tone that the cinematic
: sets. Perhaps I'm not being clear or blunt enough. The point of the scene
: is to show the Spartan IVs embarking on a dangerous mission, except there
: is no danger. There is no danger because the covenant military is little
: more than a speedbump on their downhill slide. As Cody mentioned earlier
: in the thread, why not just have them snowboard down the damn thing?

: Or maybe we just want different things, Dave. I really enjoyed the portrayal
: of the Spartans in the previous games and novels because while they were
: incredible, there was a sense of gravitas to the action -- the Spartans
: were still human and still made mistakes. I thought they were badasses
: because they displayed heroism in the face of true danger. Fireteam Osiris
: are a group of high-school bullies pushing over an army of toddlers;
: they're shown to be so outmatched that the Spartans are literally running
: through them. I don't find that heroic or badass.

: I find that dreadfully boring.

Yeah, I think I have multiple opinions from different perspective :P
1) As a game trailer (well, cinematic preview), this was great. It had energy, it was pretty exciting. This is also a very surfacy opinion.
2) I give it props for putting the Spartan abilities known in the games into a practical, real-world (snicker) environment. Seeing the characters we play make use of the abilities that are love-it-or-hate-it shows how they have viable potential in combat situations, and really do enhance the overall capabilities of the soldiers. I loved seeing the natural use of thrusters for quick maneuvering and speedy advancement in a proper context, for example (as opposed to the relatively clunky and awkward limited movement mechanics from videogame-play).
3) From a story standpoint, this feels like a stepping stone between the previous portrayal of Spartan IV's and the characters of Osiris being of more focus and development; somewhere between Halo 4 and Halo Reach. See discussion earlier in the thread about character development. Glad to not see any 'dudebro' attitudes.
4) Thinking deeper the video, it is very 'superhero'-like in its portrayal of the Spartans, cinematically there doesn't feel to be any real challenge or threat to the spartans. They are simply mowing through with no flaws or weaknesses or mistakes. Sure that might be reasonable for the concept of the soldier, but the perception is lopsided. We see capabilities, but not because of a contender or real danger, just because of lots and lots of noise.

I can see why people don't like the video, and I can also see ways to really enjoy the video. I really do hope that the 'good' ways are steps in the right direction for Halo 5 and its campaign and storytelling. And I hope that the not-so-good issues really are because we don't have the whole picture and aren't yet immersed in the story unfolding. I hope. I want there to at least be a reason for the existence of things that don't sit quite right. Otherwise it just feel sloppy.

When playing the game, I want to see this cinematic and feel much more a part of it, much more immersed and entranced by it and its believability, than just now watching it in a small window on my screen. :P


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New Trailer/Opening CinematicVAVA Mk28/31/15 9:52 pm
     Re: New Trailer/Opening CinematicThe BS Police8/31/15 9:56 pm
           Re: New Trailer/Opening CinematicVAVA Mk28/31/15 10:00 pm
     Woah.Grizzlei8/31/15 10:00 pm
           Re: Woah.zofinda8/31/15 10:05 pm
                 Re: Woah.Grizzlei8/31/15 10:14 pm
                       Re: Woah.zofinda8/31/15 10:24 pm
                             Re: Woah.Grizzlei8/31/15 10:35 pm
     Holy hell *NM*Apollo8/31/15 10:06 pm
     Why buzzfeed?Revenant19888/31/15 10:07 pm
           Re: Why buzzfeed?VAVA Mk28/31/15 10:11 pm
                 Re: Why buzzfeed?zofinda8/31/15 10:25 pm
                 Re: Why buzzfeed?spu7n1k8/31/15 11:18 pm
                 Re: Why buzzfeed?uberfoop8/31/15 11:41 pm
     Holy crap! That was awesome!Gravemind8/31/15 10:32 pm
           Re: Holy crap! That was awesome!Grizzlei8/31/15 10:34 pm
                 Re: Holy crap! That was awesome!Gravemind8/31/15 10:52 pm
     Re: New Trailer/Opening Cinematicserpx8/31/15 11:02 pm
           Re: New Trailer/Opening Cinematicarithmomaniac8/31/15 11:41 pm
     Re: New Trailer/Opening CinematicMorhek8/31/15 11:15 pm
     Okay.uberfoop8/31/15 11:32 pm
           life must be hard for you *NM*Bounce-A-Gon9/1/15 12:41 am
                 Hey, Mr. Sunshine!Quirel9/1/15 12:43 am
                       that is was bad and shouldnt do it. :P *NM*Bounce-A-Gon9/1/15 1:03 am
                             Re: *Sprays water at Josh* Bad Kitty! *NM*Hyokin9/1/15 1:24 am
                 Needs less tsun-tsun and more dere-dere. ^_^ *NM*Gravemind9/1/15 1:24 am
                       Re: Needs less tsun-tsun and more dere-dere. ^_^tadboz9/1/15 9:20 pm
           Re: Okay.asa9/1/15 12:23 pm
                 Re: Okay.MacGyver109/1/15 1:23 pm
     Impressively cheesy.Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316)9/1/15 2:06 am
           Good lord fuck off *NM*Apollo9/1/15 9:15 am
           Re: Impressively cheesy.General Vagueness9/2/15 12:17 am
     Meh.Quirel9/1/15 2:22 am
           Re: Meh.Vincent9/1/15 3:17 am
                 Re: Meh.ArteenEsben9/1/15 6:47 am
                       Re: Meh.Stormwing9/1/15 9:04 am
                             Re: Meh.ArteenEsben9/1/15 6:00 pm
           Re: Meh.kidtsunami9/1/15 4:21 pm
                 Re: Meh.zofinda9/1/15 5:24 pm
                 Re: Meh.Quirel9/1/15 11:39 pm
                       Hahakidtsunami9/2/15 10:53 am
           Re: Meh.Cody Miller9/1/15 7:19 pm
                 Re: Meh.Quirel9/2/15 1:49 am
     O_OJaydee9/1/15 2:53 am
           Re: O_Ozofinda9/1/15 4:17 pm
     Nicekidtsunami9/1/15 8:29 am
           Re: Nicedavidfuchs9/1/15 9:32 am
     Best partkanbo9/1/15 12:27 pm
     Enjoyed that. *NM*yakaman9/1/15 1:35 pm
     Age of Ultron called. They want their intro back.munky-0589/1/15 2:29 pm
     Translated the binary at :26Toby Dillman9/1/15 9:16 pm
           Re: Translated the binary at :26thebruce09/2/15 9:48 am
     Re: New Trailer/Opening CinematicGeneral Vagueness9/2/15 1:48 pm
     Michael Bay dreams of things like that... *NM*The Loot9/3/15 4:43 am
     One step forward, two steps backPaused9/3/15 3:15 pm
           Re: One step forward, two steps backGrizzlei9/3/15 3:51 pm
                 +1 *NM*kidtsunami9/3/15 3:57 pm
                 Re: One step forward, two steps backzofinda9/3/15 6:40 pm
                       Re: One step forward, two steps backGrizzlei9/3/15 6:51 pm
                       Re: One step forward, two steps backthebruce09/4/15 10:28 am
                 Re: One step forward, two steps backPaused9/5/15 6:20 pm
     Re: New Trailer/Opening CinematicDrdoctor9/3/15 5:07 pm
           A more clinical/less showy Blue Team? A++ *NM*kidtsunami9/3/15 5:10 pm
     Here's why everything is wrong.Bones9/3/15 9:04 pm
           this forum is dead long live the forum *NM*Bounce-A-Gon9/3/15 9:52 pm
                 So, I take it no thoughts, then? *NM*Bones9/3/15 10:58 pm
           Re: Here's why everything is wrong.Revenant19889/3/15 11:15 pm
                 Re: Here's why everything is wrong.Bones9/4/15 12:03 am
                       Re: Here's why everything is wrong.The BS Police9/4/15 2:26 am
                             Re: Here's why everything is wrong.Masterz13379/4/15 2:58 am
                                   Re: Here's why everything is wrong.Quirel9/4/15 4:22 am
                                         Re: Here's why everything is wrong.thebruce09/4/15 10:32 am
                                               Hate to break it to youkidtsunami9/4/15 10:38 am
                                                     Re: Hate to break it to youthebruce09/4/15 10:41 am
                                                           Re: Hate to break it to youMacGyver109/4/15 11:30 am
                                                                 Re: Hate to break it to youQuirel9/4/15 11:47 am
                                                                       Re: Hate to break it to youdavidfuchs9/4/15 11:48 am
                                                                             Re: Hate to break it to youQuirel9/4/15 2:37 pm
                                                                       Re: Hate to break it to youMacGyver109/4/15 11:53 am
                                                                             Re: Hate to break it to youQuirel9/4/15 12:35 pm
                                                                                   Re: Hate to break it to youMacGyver109/4/15 3:01 pm
                                                                                         Re: Hate to break it to youQuirel9/8/15 5:41 pm
                                                                                               Re: Hate to break it to youGeneral Vagueness9/8/15 5:57 pm
                                                                                                     Re: Hate to break it to youMacGyver109/8/15 6:15 pm
                                                                                                     Re: Hate to break it to youQuirel9/9/15 1:51 am
                                                                                                           cite your source q *NM*Bounce-A-Gon9/9/15 5:54 am
                                                                 Re: Hate to break it to youthebruce09/4/15 1:28 pm
                                                                       Re: Hate to break it to youQuirel9/4/15 1:33 pm
                                                           Re: More like football players...*IMG*Hyokin9/4/15 12:06 pm
                                                                 Great Sales pitchBounce-A-Gon9/4/15 12:22 pm
                                                                 Re: More like football players...*IMG*thebruce09/4/15 1:31 pm
                                                     The funny thing about that...munky-0589/4/15 2:51 pm
                                                           Re: The funny thing about that...MacGyver109/4/15 3:12 pm
                                   Re: Here's why everything is wrong.General Vagueness9/4/15 2:15 pm
                             Re: Here's why everything is wrong.Morhek9/4/15 6:20 am
                       Some thoughts and a jokeQuirel9/4/15 1:25 pm
                             Re: Some thoughts and a jokeBones9/4/15 2:00 pm
                                   Re: Some thoughts and a jokeQuirel9/9/15 6:06 pm
                             +1Leviathan9/4/15 2:21 pm
                                   Re: +1thebruce09/4/15 3:48 pm
                 Spartans are power rangersMasterz13379/4/15 12:55 pm
                       Re: That made me so happy.Hyokin9/4/15 4:08 pm
                 Re: Here's why everything is wrong.General Vagueness9/4/15 2:04 pm
           Here's Why That's Irrelevantdavidfuchs9/4/15 9:28 am
                 I'd argue otherwise, Davey.Bones9/4/15 10:27 am
                       Re: I'd argue otherwise, Davey.davidfuchs9/4/15 11:06 am
                             Re: I'd argue otherwise, Davey.Bones9/4/15 12:23 pm
                                   Re: I'd argue otherwise, Davey.thebruce09/4/15 1:51 pm
           The Big Questionserpx9/4/15 3:02 pm
                 Re: The Big QuestionMacGyver109/4/15 3:20 pm
           About all of the negativity here.Quirel9/4/15 3:19 pm
                 Re: About all of the negativity here.Revenant19889/4/15 9:26 pm
                       Re: About all of the negativity here.spu7n1k9/4/15 11:51 pm
                             Re: About all of the negativity here.asa9/5/15 3:45 pm
                             Re: About all of the negativity here.Apollo9/6/15 11:10 pm
                                   The negativity is everywhere.Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316)9/7/15 2:25 am
                                         ^responds with negativity *NM*Bounce-A-Gon9/7/15 2:37 am
                                               alsoBounce-A-Gon9/7/15 3:24 am
                                                     Re: alsoGrizzlei9/7/15 3:55 am
                                                     Really? *NM*Tex9/8/15 10:58 am
                                         Re: The negativity is everywhere.Jaydee9/7/15 3:41 am
                                               *side eyes* *NM*Grizzlei9/7/15 3:53 am
                                                     Re: *side eyes*thebruce09/8/15 10:04 am
                                               Re: The negativity is everywhere.Bounce-A-Gon9/7/15 3:56 am
                                               Re: The negativity is everywhere.Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316)9/7/15 8:43 am
                                               Just joined Halo Archive. *NM*robofin1179/7/15 8:21 pm
                                         Re: The negativity is everywhere.bluerunner9/7/15 8:21 am
                                               Re: The negativity is everywhere.Leviathan9/7/15 11:40 am
                                                     Re: The negativity is everywhere.cheapLEY9/7/15 2:24 pm
                                                           Yup. *NM*robofin1179/7/15 8:08 pm
                                               Re: The negativity is everywhere.Quirel9/9/15 6:06 pm
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                                                                                   oh you *NM*kidtsunami9/10/15 8:00 am
                                                           Re: The negativity is everywhere.Quirel9/10/15 2:34 am
                                                           Re: The negativity is everywhere.Kermit9/10/15 7:33 pm
                                         Negativity? On the internet? You don't say?Gravemind9/7/15 2:31 pm
                                         Re: The negativity is everywhere.General Vagueness9/7/15 7:50 pm
                                         Re: Halo 5 seems more Halo than usualkidtsunami9/8/15 12:17 pm
                                               Re: Halo 5 seems more Halo than usualJoe Duplessie (SNIPE 316)9/8/15 1:41 pm
                                                     I love that Halo is slowerkidtsunami9/8/15 7:22 pm
                                   Re: About all of the negativity here.Quirel9/8/15 5:38 pm
                                         Honest QuestionMacGyver109/8/15 6:09 pm
                                               Re: Honest QuestionRevenant19889/8/15 9:21 pm
                                               Re: Honest QuestionQuirel9/9/15 4:26 pm
                                                     Re: Honest QuestionGeneral Vagueness9/9/15 5:57 pm
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                                                                 "Death2Halo? Joke's on him, Halo is already dead!"munky-0589/11/15 11:25 am
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                                         Re: About all of the negativity here.General Vagueness9/8/15 6:15 pm
                       Re: About all of the negativity here.Cody Miller9/5/15 10:44 pm
                             Re: About all of the negativity here.MacGyver109/8/15 12:20 am
                             Re: About all of the negativity here.The BS Police9/8/15 1:50 pm
                                   Re: About all of the negativity here. *IMG*Hyokin9/8/15 2:54 pm
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