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Re: Some thoughts and a joke
By:Bones
Date: 9/4/15 2:00 pm
In Response To: Some thoughts and a joke (Quirel)

: Sister Mary Immaculata then rolls up her window, looks back at Mother
: Superior, quite innocently, and asks, “Did that sound cross enough?

Ahh, good ol' Catholic humor.

: Remember when Covenant warships had aimbot point defense lasers, shields that
: could tank MAC rounds, and weapons that could gut capital warships?
: Remember when they didn't go down to a few small missiles? Or even just
: one?

: Remember when a sword-wielding Elite on the Ascendant Justice would have
: killed the Chief if Johnson wasn't there?

S...S...Stop, you'll make me cry.

: I understood that there was a fundamental disconnect between what the
: Covenant were in-game and what they were supposed to be story-wise.

Exactly. I'd argue that playing zero-death through the series on Heroic or Legendary might drive home the effectiveness of the Covenant military lore-wise, but with the gaming medium, practicality and fun need to take center stage. You needn't gut your story or lore to do so, though.

I didn't even mind the subtle rebalancing of weapon effectiveness as the series progressed; I understood that having an unstoppable military juggernaut as the antagonists can make it hard to write a way out.

: The problem is that, outside of the stories penned by Nylund and Statten, the
: Covenant are pushovers. People love the Monsters cutscene from Halo Wars
: because it shows the Spartans at their finest. I hate it because I want to
: see a fight between Spartans and Elites at their finest, and the Elites
: were at their worst. I can't even begin to guess at why they charged down
: a bridge with no shields and no ranged weapons against soldiers with guns.

: And after Halo Wars, there is a whole slew of stories where the Covenant suck
: at fighting. The Package basically ignored all their advantages. Spartan
: Ops (I know the cutscenes had a different name, but I can't remember it at
: the moment) basically made them look badass by making the Spartan IVs act
: like a bunch of incompetent boobs, and Escalation's sole saving grace is
: Ayit 'Sevi. By this point, Spartans slaughtering their way through a whole
: company of Covenant just drives home how pathetic the Covenant is.

: Also, the Master Chief wading through a Covenant battalion in-game is
: different than seeing him do it in a movie. In a game, I understand all
: too well that I'm just a few hits away from dying. Also, animators have a
: nasty habit of making Spartans do the flashy thing instead of the
: pragmatic thing.

Agreed, on everything.


Messages In This Thread

New Trailer/Opening CinematicVAVA Mk28/31/15 9:52 pm
     Re: New Trailer/Opening CinematicThe BS Police8/31/15 9:56 pm
           Re: New Trailer/Opening CinematicVAVA Mk28/31/15 10:00 pm
     Woah.Grizzlei8/31/15 10:00 pm
           Re: Woah.zofinda8/31/15 10:05 pm
                 Re: Woah.Grizzlei8/31/15 10:14 pm
                       Re: Woah.zofinda8/31/15 10:24 pm
                             Re: Woah.Grizzlei8/31/15 10:35 pm
     Holy hell *NM*Apollo8/31/15 10:06 pm
     Why buzzfeed?Revenant19888/31/15 10:07 pm
           Re: Why buzzfeed?VAVA Mk28/31/15 10:11 pm
                 Re: Why buzzfeed?zofinda8/31/15 10:25 pm
                 Re: Why buzzfeed?spu7n1k8/31/15 11:18 pm
                 Re: Why buzzfeed?uberfoop8/31/15 11:41 pm
     Holy crap! That was awesome!Gravemind8/31/15 10:32 pm
           Re: Holy crap! That was awesome!Grizzlei8/31/15 10:34 pm
                 Re: Holy crap! That was awesome!Gravemind8/31/15 10:52 pm
     Re: New Trailer/Opening Cinematicserpx8/31/15 11:02 pm
           Re: New Trailer/Opening Cinematicarithmomaniac8/31/15 11:41 pm
     Re: New Trailer/Opening CinematicMorhek8/31/15 11:15 pm
     Okay.uberfoop8/31/15 11:32 pm
           life must be hard for you *NM*Bounce-A-Gon9/1/15 12:41 am
                 Hey, Mr. Sunshine!Quirel9/1/15 12:43 am
                       that is was bad and shouldnt do it. :P *NM*Bounce-A-Gon9/1/15 1:03 am
                             Re: *Sprays water at Josh* Bad Kitty! *NM*Hyokin9/1/15 1:24 am
                 Needs less tsun-tsun and more dere-dere. ^_^ *NM*Gravemind9/1/15 1:24 am
                       Re: Needs less tsun-tsun and more dere-dere. ^_^tadboz9/1/15 9:20 pm
           Re: Okay.asa9/1/15 12:23 pm
                 Re: Okay.MacGyver109/1/15 1:23 pm
     Impressively cheesy.Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316)9/1/15 2:06 am
           Good lord fuck off *NM*Apollo9/1/15 9:15 am
           Re: Impressively cheesy.General Vagueness9/2/15 12:17 am
     Meh.Quirel9/1/15 2:22 am
           Re: Meh.Vincent9/1/15 3:17 am
                 Re: Meh.ArteenEsben9/1/15 6:47 am
                       Re: Meh.Stormwing9/1/15 9:04 am
                             Re: Meh.ArteenEsben9/1/15 6:00 pm
           Re: Meh.kidtsunami9/1/15 4:21 pm
                 Re: Meh.zofinda9/1/15 5:24 pm
                 Re: Meh.Quirel9/1/15 11:39 pm
                       Hahakidtsunami9/2/15 10:53 am
           Re: Meh.Cody Miller9/1/15 7:19 pm
                 Re: Meh.Quirel9/2/15 1:49 am
     O_OJaydee9/1/15 2:53 am
           Re: O_Ozofinda9/1/15 4:17 pm
     Nicekidtsunami9/1/15 8:29 am
           Re: Nicedavidfuchs9/1/15 9:32 am
     Best partkanbo9/1/15 12:27 pm
     Enjoyed that. *NM*yakaman9/1/15 1:35 pm
     Age of Ultron called. They want their intro back.munky-0589/1/15 2:29 pm
     Translated the binary at :26Toby Dillman9/1/15 9:16 pm
           Re: Translated the binary at :26thebruce09/2/15 9:48 am
     Re: New Trailer/Opening CinematicGeneral Vagueness9/2/15 1:48 pm
     Michael Bay dreams of things like that... *NM*The Loot9/3/15 4:43 am
     One step forward, two steps backPaused9/3/15 3:15 pm
           Re: One step forward, two steps backGrizzlei9/3/15 3:51 pm
                 +1 *NM*kidtsunami9/3/15 3:57 pm
                 Re: One step forward, two steps backzofinda9/3/15 6:40 pm
                       Re: One step forward, two steps backGrizzlei9/3/15 6:51 pm
                       Re: One step forward, two steps backthebruce09/4/15 10:28 am
                 Re: One step forward, two steps backPaused9/5/15 6:20 pm
     Re: New Trailer/Opening CinematicDrdoctor9/3/15 5:07 pm
           A more clinical/less showy Blue Team? A++ *NM*kidtsunami9/3/15 5:10 pm
     Here's why everything is wrong.Bones9/3/15 9:04 pm
           this forum is dead long live the forum *NM*Bounce-A-Gon9/3/15 9:52 pm
                 So, I take it no thoughts, then? *NM*Bones9/3/15 10:58 pm
           Re: Here's why everything is wrong.Revenant19889/3/15 11:15 pm
                 Re: Here's why everything is wrong.Bones9/4/15 12:03 am
                       Re: Here's why everything is wrong.The BS Police9/4/15 2:26 am
                             Re: Here's why everything is wrong.Masterz13379/4/15 2:58 am
                                   Re: Here's why everything is wrong.Quirel9/4/15 4:22 am
                                         Re: Here's why everything is wrong.thebruce09/4/15 10:32 am
                                               Hate to break it to youkidtsunami9/4/15 10:38 am
                                                     Re: Hate to break it to youthebruce09/4/15 10:41 am
                                                           Re: Hate to break it to youMacGyver109/4/15 11:30 am
                                                                 Re: Hate to break it to youQuirel9/4/15 11:47 am
                                                                       Re: Hate to break it to youdavidfuchs9/4/15 11:48 am
                                                                             Re: Hate to break it to youQuirel9/4/15 2:37 pm
                                                                       Re: Hate to break it to youMacGyver109/4/15 11:53 am
                                                                             Re: Hate to break it to youQuirel9/4/15 12:35 pm
                                                                                   Re: Hate to break it to youMacGyver109/4/15 3:01 pm
                                                                                         Re: Hate to break it to youQuirel9/8/15 5:41 pm
                                                                                               Re: Hate to break it to youGeneral Vagueness9/8/15 5:57 pm
                                                                                                     Re: Hate to break it to youMacGyver109/8/15 6:15 pm
                                                                                                     Re: Hate to break it to youQuirel9/9/15 1:51 am
                                                                                                           cite your source q *NM*Bounce-A-Gon9/9/15 5:54 am
                                                                 Re: Hate to break it to youthebruce09/4/15 1:28 pm
                                                                       Re: Hate to break it to youQuirel9/4/15 1:33 pm
                                                           Re: More like football players...*IMG*Hyokin9/4/15 12:06 pm
                                                                 Great Sales pitchBounce-A-Gon9/4/15 12:22 pm
                                                                 Re: More like football players...*IMG*thebruce09/4/15 1:31 pm
                                                     The funny thing about that...munky-0589/4/15 2:51 pm
                                                           Re: The funny thing about that...MacGyver109/4/15 3:12 pm
                                   Re: Here's why everything is wrong.General Vagueness9/4/15 2:15 pm
                             Re: Here's why everything is wrong.Morhek9/4/15 6:20 am
                       Some thoughts and a jokeQuirel9/4/15 1:25 pm
                             Re: Some thoughts and a jokeBones9/4/15 2:00 pm
                                   Re: Some thoughts and a jokeQuirel9/9/15 6:06 pm
                             +1Leviathan9/4/15 2:21 pm
                                   Re: +1thebruce09/4/15 3:48 pm
                 Spartans are power rangersMasterz13379/4/15 12:55 pm
                       Re: That made me so happy.Hyokin9/4/15 4:08 pm
                 Re: Here's why everything is wrong.General Vagueness9/4/15 2:04 pm
           Here's Why That's Irrelevantdavidfuchs9/4/15 9:28 am
                 I'd argue otherwise, Davey.Bones9/4/15 10:27 am
                       Re: I'd argue otherwise, Davey.davidfuchs9/4/15 11:06 am
                             Re: I'd argue otherwise, Davey.Bones9/4/15 12:23 pm
                                   Re: I'd argue otherwise, Davey.thebruce09/4/15 1:51 pm
           The Big Questionserpx9/4/15 3:02 pm
                 Re: The Big QuestionMacGyver109/4/15 3:20 pm
           About all of the negativity here.Quirel9/4/15 3:19 pm
                 Re: About all of the negativity here.Revenant19889/4/15 9:26 pm
                       Re: About all of the negativity here.spu7n1k9/4/15 11:51 pm
                             Re: About all of the negativity here.asa9/5/15 3:45 pm
                             Re: About all of the negativity here.Apollo9/6/15 11:10 pm
                                   The negativity is everywhere.Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316)9/7/15 2:25 am
                                         ^responds with negativity *NM*Bounce-A-Gon9/7/15 2:37 am
                                               alsoBounce-A-Gon9/7/15 3:24 am
                                                     Re: alsoGrizzlei9/7/15 3:55 am
                                                     Really? *NM*Tex9/8/15 10:58 am
                                         Re: The negativity is everywhere.Jaydee9/7/15 3:41 am
                                               *side eyes* *NM*Grizzlei9/7/15 3:53 am
                                                     Re: *side eyes*thebruce09/8/15 10:04 am
                                               Re: The negativity is everywhere.Bounce-A-Gon9/7/15 3:56 am
                                               Re: The negativity is everywhere.Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316)9/7/15 8:43 am
                                               Just joined Halo Archive. *NM*robofin1179/7/15 8:21 pm
                                         Re: The negativity is everywhere.bluerunner9/7/15 8:21 am
                                               Re: The negativity is everywhere.Leviathan9/7/15 11:40 am
                                                     Re: The negativity is everywhere.cheapLEY9/7/15 2:24 pm
                                                           Yup. *NM*robofin1179/7/15 8:08 pm
                                               Re: The negativity is everywhere.Quirel9/9/15 6:06 pm
                                                     Re: The negativity is everywhere.bluerunner9/9/15 7:53 pm
                                                           Re: The negativity is everywhere.Grizzlei9/9/15 7:59 pm
                                                                 Re: The negativity is everywhere.bluerunner9/9/15 8:03 pm
                                                                       Re: The negativity is everywhere.robofin1179/10/15 12:12 am
                                                                             Re: The negativity is everywhere.Grizzlei9/10/15 12:30 am
                                                                             Re: The negativity is everywhere.Quirel9/10/15 2:34 am
                                                                                   oh you *NM*kidtsunami9/10/15 8:00 am
                                                           Re: The negativity is everywhere.Quirel9/10/15 2:34 am
                                                           Re: The negativity is everywhere.Kermit9/10/15 7:33 pm
                                         Negativity? On the internet? You don't say?Gravemind9/7/15 2:31 pm
                                         Re: The negativity is everywhere.General Vagueness9/7/15 7:50 pm
                                         Re: Halo 5 seems more Halo than usualkidtsunami9/8/15 12:17 pm
                                               Re: Halo 5 seems more Halo than usualJoe Duplessie (SNIPE 316)9/8/15 1:41 pm
                                                     I love that Halo is slowerkidtsunami9/8/15 7:22 pm
                                   Re: About all of the negativity here.Quirel9/8/15 5:38 pm
                                         Honest QuestionMacGyver109/8/15 6:09 pm
                                               Re: Honest QuestionRevenant19889/8/15 9:21 pm
                                               Re: Honest QuestionQuirel9/9/15 4:26 pm
                                                     Re: Honest QuestionGeneral Vagueness9/9/15 5:57 pm
                                                           This.cheapLEY9/10/15 2:04 am
                                                                 "Death2Halo? Joke's on him, Halo is already dead!"munky-0589/11/15 11:25 am
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                                                                                   Re: "Death2Halo? Joke's on him, Halo is already deThe BS Police9/12/15 9:25 pm
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                                         Re: About all of the negativity here.General Vagueness9/8/15 6:15 pm
                       Re: About all of the negativity here.Cody Miller9/5/15 10:44 pm
                             Re: About all of the negativity here.MacGyver109/8/15 12:20 am
                             Re: About all of the negativity here.The BS Police9/8/15 1:50 pm
                                   Re: About all of the negativity here. *IMG*Hyokin9/8/15 2:54 pm
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