: Even Bungie was burned out on Halo. Can you not understand that?

You're acting like Bungie burned out on Halo because they got tired of playing it or being around it all the time. Game Developer Hell is what they were tired of.

: People that come here 'Halo' harder than most, so its only logical that
: they'd be subject to fatigue from it as well.

: You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I don't think 343 'blew it'.

: You make it sound like Bungie was infallible.

You should check back a few years and see some of the nifty things I had to say about Reach. Just because I absolutely feel that 343 blew it does not say ANYTHING about what I think about Bungie and what they did or did not do with Halo. Wait, I can do you one better. Search around here from after H4's launch and you'll even see me get some nice shots in at Reach (Bungie's version and 343's alleged TU that was really just a TA). Looking forward to Destiny, though. Bungie wanted out, and they got out. 343's here to stay, wheel chair Master Chief pic, hiring people who hate whatever and are thus passionate about "fixing" whatever, and all. Cheers.

: I'm not going to bother arguing semantics with you on that, because I know
: what camp you fall under. I prefer to think of myself as comfortably in
: the middle, but its pretty clear that you and I will never see eye to eye
: on this subject.

We actually see a lot eye to eye. I really enjoy reading your posts. I think we just absolutely disagree on whether or not 343 blew it. I'd say the numbers show that they have, but then I'd get told that there are no real solid numbers that 343 has released (I wonder why lol).

: It's all a matter of perspective. You may not be burned out on Halo, but I
: still bet a lot of HBO folks are if they really sat down and thought about
: it. I'll likely not see many posts agreeing with that sentiment, because
: if they are burned out on Halo they certainly won't be coming here to
: post now would they?

Burn out. One can get burned out from terrible gameplay decisions. Naturally subjective. After all, my opinion is pretty clear that they screwed up. I think the something like 9001857+ TUs and patches they've released since launch help to back the "screwed up" claim pretty solidly, too, but hey, that's also my opinion.

Like you said, you know where I stand. I put more of the weight on 343 blowing it. They've been fixing a ton of things, and it's actually been fairly enjoyable lately. Until the weapon tuning anyway. Still betting on that bombing pretty hard. I can't wait to see if they test it better than the X's.

: Unless, there are people that only hang around to complain. Good thing we
: don't see a lot of that here, right?

Not much anymore. There's not much posting going on in general. On the plus side, though, I've been playing a lot more H4 lately and it's been fairly enjoyable. Many, many fixes have gone into making that possible. Weapon tuning? Too be continued. ;)