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Date: 3/20/14 12:09 pm
In Response To: Re: Gender expectations (Kal)

: I disagree. I believe the idea of this slide (and a related one about
: positive/negative traits in girls) is to show how boys who don't abide by
: the normal school-age gender ideals are ostracized, and how our society
: (through many avenues, including video game characters) molds boys to fit
: a set pattern. This has damaging effects not only on those who do not (or
: choose not to) fit the mold, but also has damaging effects on the future
: men who will have unreasonable expectations of their own privilege.

: [...]

: These are all qualities that are not necessarily bad things; They can have
: a negative spin attached to them. Questioning the manhood of disabled
: people is a rotten thing to do, IMO.

The problem IMO is not that we try and encourage certain traits over others. The problem is that by making the dual association of these traits as both negative and girly, we manage to both cause guys to feel like failures to their gender and signal to women that their self-empowerment is not welcome. Almost no one wins in this outcome. (And I say this as a gender-normative social conservative...)

Messages In This Thread

Gender expectationsCody Miller3/20/14 4:22 am
     Nail. Head. *NM*The Loot3/20/14 4:37 am
     Re: Gender expectationsKal3/20/14 10:24 am
           Re: Gender expectationsXenos3/20/14 11:41 am
                 Re: Gender expectationsKal3/20/14 11:55 am
                       Re: Gender expectationsXenos3/20/14 2:00 pm
           +1Arithmomaniac3/20/14 12:09 pm
     Re: Gender expectationsGrizzlei3/20/14 2:38 pm
           Re: Gender expectationsCody Miller3/20/14 5:30 pm
                 Response: Now with 1x more *GIF*Grizzlei3/20/14 6:24 pm
                       That last paragraphZackDark3/20/14 6:53 pm
                             Re: That last paragraphGrizzlei3/20/14 7:01 pm
                                   Re: That last paragraphZackDark3/20/14 10:18 pm
                       Re: Response: Now with 1x more *GIF*Cody Miller3/20/14 8:21 pm
                             Re: Response: Now with 1x more *GIF*Kal3/20/14 8:30 pm
                                   Re: Response: Now with 1x more *GIF*Cody Miller3/20/14 8:47 pm
                             Re: Response: Now with 1x more *GIF*Grizzlei3/20/14 9:06 pm
                                   Input from the fly on the wallSonofMacPhisto3/21/14 11:20 am
                                         Re: Input from the fly on the wallThe Loot3/22/14 7:46 pm

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