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Good design isn't pandering to your customer
By:RC Master
Date: 11/6/13 11:40 am
In Response To: Re: Halo 4, One Year Later (Kal)

: I can just picture exasperated 343 staff reading message boards like this
: one, tearing out their hair and screaming "What more do they
: want?!"

More than anything, players really want a game that is cohesive, whole and proud of what it is.

Halo 4 was trying to be like call of duty but didn't understand what made that game's systems work (instant kills and TONS of weapons, deeper customisation).
It was trying to make you 'feel like a spartan' while making your aim go all over the place and slow you down when you get shot.
It was trying to have killstreaks but was too afraid of them to have them anywhere except Slayer.
It wanted new objective gametypes but totally misunderstood the map design they needed (Dominion's bases were too enclosed, protectable).
It wanted to wow people with graphics but was too embarrassed to let people see how they were achieved, to let them touch the wonder (too much on backgrounds than bigger levels, no campaign theatre)
It wanted 'balance' but totally misunderstood what that meant - leading to samey weapons, samey maps, and all symmetrical gametypes.
It wanted competitive players but didn't give them anything substantial because it didn't want to upset anyone, anywhere, at any time - "oh, really, you guys want a ranking system? heres one we threw together and it's waypoint only"
It wanted cool custom maps but forgot that gametype customisation was half the appeal.
It wanted fiction to matter but didn't give people the knowledge to understand it, and didn't follow through (particularly in Spops and War Games)
They wanted a 2nd episodic campaign but didn't give it enough budget or time to mature into something great.
They wanted so much new stuff they didn't have time for so much of the great stuff they already had - firefight, theatre, cool weapons like Focus Rifle, Invasion etc. etc. etc.

Above all, it wanted other people to love it so desperately that it forgot to love itself and it's legacy.

343i thought Halo was about a formula - turns out it was all about the approach.

That's why I'm excited for Destiny, but not Halo 5.

/lol, this turned into a rant.


Messages In This Thread

Halo 4, One Year LaterFyreWulff11/6/13 4:07 am
     Map PacksCody Miller11/6/13 5:17 am
     Re: Halo 4, One Year LaterTDSpiral11/6/13 5:40 am
           Re: Halo 4, One Year LaterFyreWulff11/6/13 5:53 am
                 Re: Halo 4, One Year LaterAvateur11/6/13 10:39 pm
                       Re: Halo 4, One Year LaterFear_Of_Falling11/7/13 8:23 am
     Re: Halo 4, One Year LaterPkmnrulz24011/6/13 7:18 am
     I just want to note...RC Master11/6/13 8:44 am
           Re: I just want to note...FyreWulff11/6/13 8:58 am
     I'd say it's gone pretty well!iForge11/6/13 9:12 am
     Re: Halo 4, One Year LaterFear_Of_Falling11/6/13 9:14 am
     This was inevitable and (mostly) not 343's faultKal11/6/13 10:08 am
           Re: This was inevitable and (mostly) not 343's fauuberfoop11/6/13 10:51 am
           STOPSchooly D11/6/13 12:10 pm
                 Re: STOPKal11/6/13 1:17 pm
                       Re: STOPSchooly D11/6/13 1:41 pm
                             Re: STOPKal11/6/13 1:45 pm
                                   Re: STOPAvateur11/6/13 10:52 pm
                             Re: STOPCody Miller11/8/13 4:58 am
                                   Re: STOPthebruce011/8/13 9:59 am
                                   Re: STOPRC Master11/8/13 11:07 am
                                         Re: STOPDEEP NNN11/8/13 11:17 am
                                               Re: STOPCody Miller11/8/13 12:19 pm
                                   Re: STOPSchooly D11/8/13 11:33 am
                                         Re: STOPCody Miller11/8/13 12:15 pm
                                               Re: STOPSchooly D11/8/13 4:40 pm
                                                     Re: STOPCody Miller11/8/13 5:17 pm
           or Continue?MacGyver1011/6/13 2:59 pm
     Re: Halo 4, One Year LaterDEEP NNN11/6/13 10:17 am
           Re: Halo 4, One Year LaterKal11/6/13 10:41 am
                 Re: Halo 4, One Year Laterserpx11/6/13 11:25 am
                       Re: Halo 4, One Year Laterserpx11/6/13 11:33 am
                       Re: Halo 4, One Year LaterBosticman11/6/13 2:43 pm
                 Good design isn't pandering to your customerRC Master11/6/13 11:40 am
                       Re: Good design isn't pandering to your customerKal11/6/13 1:34 pm
                             Re: Good design isn't pandering to your customerFear_Of_Falling11/6/13 2:21 pm
                                   Re: Good design isn't pandering to your customerFear_Of_Falling11/6/13 3:10 pm
                                         Re: Good design isn't pandering to your customerKal11/6/13 3:25 pm
                                               Re: Good design isn't pandering to your customerFear_Of_Falling11/6/13 4:18 pm
                                                     Re: Good design isn't pandering to your customerKal11/6/13 4:57 pm
                                                           Re: Good design isn't pandering to your customerJoe Duplessie (SNIPE 316)11/6/13 5:53 pm
                       Re: Good design isn't pandering to your customerCody Miller11/6/13 6:43 pm
                             Re: Good design isn't pandering to your customerRC Master11/7/13 8:50 pm
                       ^^ He knows what he's talking about.Quirel11/6/13 10:15 pm
                             Re: ^^ He knows what he's talking about.RC Master11/7/13 9:07 pm
           Re: Halo 4, One Year LaterTashi11/6/13 3:20 pm
                 Re: Halo 4, One Year LaterDEEP NNN11/6/13 4:14 pm
                       Re: Halo 4, One Year LaterTashi11/6/13 10:15 pm
     Best post is bestAvateur11/6/13 10:31 pm
           In the same vein.Chewbaccawakka11/7/13 3:39 am
           Re: Best post is bestthebruce011/7/13 10:17 am
                 Re: Best post is bestFear_Of_Falling11/7/13 11:30 am
                       Re: Best post is bestLouis Wu11/7/13 12:59 pm
                             Re: Best post is bestasa11/7/13 1:22 pm
                                   Re: Best post is bestthebruce011/7/13 3:20 pm
                                         Good lord. *NM*Louis Wu11/7/13 3:31 pm
                                               ^^^ "I AM THE ONE WHO POSTS." *NM*Chewbaccawakka11/7/13 5:57 pm
                                                     "SAY MY NAME." *NM*thebruce011/8/13 1:06 am
                             Re: Best post is bestDEEP NNN11/7/13 1:28 pm
                             Re: Best post is bestbreitzen11/7/13 1:54 pm
                             Re: Best post is bestXenos11/7/13 2:27 pm
                             Re: Best post is bestFear_Of_Falling11/7/13 2:35 pm
                                   Re: Best post is bestLouis Wu11/7/13 3:06 pm
                                         Re: Best post is bestFear_Of_Falling11/7/13 3:57 pm
                                         Re: Best post is bestCody Miller11/7/13 6:45 pm
                                               Re: Best post is bestLouis Wu11/7/13 6:49 pm
                                         Re: Best post is bestFyreWulff11/7/13 11:18 pm
                       To balance the scales...Leviathan11/7/13 8:11 pm
                             ^^Hear hear! *NM*Revenant198811/7/13 8:27 pm
           I don't get your postMoorpheusl911/7/13 1:45 pm
                 Re: I don't get your postAvateur11/7/13 8:10 pm
     You know, a lot of people like Halo 4.Funkmon11/8/13 2:40 am
           Re: You know, a lot of people like Halo 4.cB55711/8/13 6:34 am
                 Re: You know, a lot of people like Halo 4.Azo 'Galvat11/8/13 6:36 pm
           Re: You know, a lot of people like Halo 4.DEEP NNN11/8/13 8:12 am

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