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Re: This question has been misframed.
By:thebruce0
Date: 6/13/13 1:32 pm
In Response To: Re: This question has been misframed. (Leisandir)

: It is true that the 360 is functional for people who don't want to deal with
: the XBOX One's featureset. However, suggesting that people buy it instead
: if that's how they feel is not a valid suggestion.

But it is if their target demographic for Xbox One are people who will be able to check in once every 42 hours. If not, then they're not expecting you to purchase Xbox One, but rather to remain and/or become a loyal XBox 360 customer.

: The hobby of gaming is deeply rooted in constant progression. I don't mean
: leveling up, I mean advancement of technology. New graphics cards, more
: RAM, better physics engines, all that. The console iterations are the
: gateway which allows a lot of gamers to interact with this progression.
: When you tell someone "Sorry you don't like it, but you can have a
: 360 to play on," you're saying "I know you've been a part of
: this constant progression for most of your life, but this new generation
: isn't for you. But you can still enjoy being in the past!"

Advancement necesarrily means leaving some things behind. Otherwise you're just patchworking improvements until the product becomes a big mess, just to keep past people happy who don't want to progress themselves. It happens everywhere, from software to hardware, and most definitely in the gaming community. It's not new. It shouldn't be taken as an insult. But obviously it is, and it's something Microsoft has to deal with (or ignore, if it's what they were prepared to deal with)

: Despite
: all the attempts to make them identical, desktops and consoles are not the
: same. I can avoid upgrading my graphics card for some time and still not
: miss out on new releases

"for some time"
I have had to deal with not being able to play games on my machine (which is still fully capable of running everything else I do, and updated to Windows 7) for years now. I've been "cut off" from enjoying PC gaming by companies who require higher minimum specs to run their software. Am I insulted? Of course not. They wanted to push their software forward, which necessarily required abandoning old/incapable technology. It happens at some point, sooner or later. Microsoft decided to make that happen with this iteration - but even so, they are retaining their gaming-focused hardware alongside the non-gaming-focused hardware. The only group left out are, as you described, those who want "the newest-generation Xbox gaming hardware" - which doesn't exist.

: but if I don't get an XBOX One, I am completely
: cut off from new games. This isn't good for anyone involved.

You're completely cut off from new games which developers have chosen to create making use of XBO features not available on 360. Is that MS to blame? Or is that just developers trying to move forward? If they want non-online gamers to play their games, they'll make sure it's available on the 360 or PS4 or whatever platform they feel will do their game justice. Gamers need to get past this 'entitlement' to the latest-greatest.
Whether MS's business decision will be successful or not, or push people forward to adopting broadband or digital-only services (necessarily prompting online checks given the software model balance for users and developers), remains to be seen. It's not looking good at the moment, but arguably only due to bad PR decisions. Hey, Beta and HDDVD went the same way. Superior tech at the time, but competition marketed more successfully.

: We want to be eager about the new XBOX. We want it
: to be something we can like and enjoy, and we don't want to be treated
: like peasants for it.

Vote with your wallet if you don't like it.
Plenty are voting with their wallet that they do.
Xbox One is not a direct successor to the 360. They will exist side by side. Complementary. One is purely gaming, one is digital-focused gaming and entertainment with regular online access a necessity.
If you want fruit but you don't want the apples, you can always stick with the oranges.


Messages In This Thread

Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Hyokin6/6/13 6:38 pm
     Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Grizzlei6/6/13 6:40 pm
           What if your communist neighbor makes a tsunami?! *NM*Hyokin6/6/13 6:52 pm
           I love the way that they're spinning this.Grizzlei6/6/13 6:54 pm
           Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Kal6/6/13 7:45 pm
     Guess deployed soldiers will play the PS4 insteadkornman006/6/13 7:09 pm
     Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Devil Mingy6/6/13 7:14 pm
     Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Ragashingo6/6/13 7:20 pm
           Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Gravemind6/6/13 8:01 pm
                 Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Cody Miller6/6/13 9:09 pm
                       Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*hunt3r6/7/13 2:42 am
                             Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Cody Miller6/7/13 2:33 pm
                       Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*RC Master6/7/13 5:56 am
                             Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*thebruce06/7/13 9:14 am
                 More about PS4 online requirements.Gravemind6/7/13 1:27 pm
     Bad implications for the XBO's future prospects.Gravemind6/6/13 7:31 pm
           Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONERevenant19886/6/13 8:01 pm
                 erp- Missed a formatting tag in der. Sorry! *NM*Revenant19886/6/13 8:05 pm
                 Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONEsnakegriffin6/6/13 8:57 pm
                 Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONELeisandir6/6/13 11:47 pm
                       Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONEDevil Mingy6/6/13 11:58 pm
                             Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONEBry6/7/13 3:27 pm
                       Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONEthebruce06/7/13 9:19 am
                       Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONERevenant19886/7/13 12:08 pm
                             Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONELeisandir6/7/13 1:55 pm
                 Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONESonofMacPhisto6/7/13 8:43 am
                       Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONERevenant19886/7/13 9:11 am
                             Try Paddy-Cycling your modem *NM*padraig086/7/13 11:20 am
                 If I was in chargepadraig086/7/13 11:24 am
                       Re: If I was in chargeRC Master6/7/13 11:28 am
                             Re: If I was in chargepadraig086/7/13 1:14 pm
                                   Re: If I was in chargeRagashingo6/7/13 1:24 pm
           Yep.Ragashingo6/6/13 8:50 pm
                 Re: Yep.Cody Miller6/6/13 9:12 pm
                 Re: Yep.Gravemind6/7/13 1:41 am
           My thoughts.Captain Spark6/7/13 9:36 am
     Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Jaydee6/6/13 10:20 pm
           Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Devil Mingy6/6/13 10:25 pm
     That has got to be one of the dumbest...SEspider6/6/13 11:08 pm
           Exactly their pointZackDark6/6/13 11:21 pm
                 But it's all about sales right?breitzen6/7/13 12:17 am
                       It's a gamble *NM*ZackDark6/7/13 9:13 am
                             Re: It's a gamblethebruce06/7/13 9:25 am
     What they really need to do.uberfoop6/7/13 12:01 am
           Shit. I forgot about that.Gravemind6/7/13 1:49 am
                 Re: Shit. I forgot about that.thebruce06/7/13 9:32 am
     Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Azo 'Galvat6/7/13 12:39 am
     Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*serpx6/7/13 12:43 am
     Unless the net-requirement changes, no more Xbox.Leviathan6/7/13 2:18 am
           Re: Unless the net-requirement changes, no more XbSonofMacPhisto6/7/13 8:45 am
     saw this coming...hunt3r6/7/13 2:44 am
     Hey guys who thought the naysayers jumped the gunPkmnrulz2406/7/13 4:45 am
     The view from that ivory tower...RC Master6/7/13 6:59 am
           Thank you for the -perfect- setupBry6/7/13 3:33 pm
                 Damn!Gravemind6/7/13 11:09 pm
           Mmm Ivory Tower... *NM*snakegriffin6/7/13 5:42 pm
     Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*CaneCutter6/7/13 9:30 am
     You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGChrisTheeCrappy6/7/13 9:44 am
           Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGCaptain Spark6/7/13 10:23 am
                 Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGChrisTheeCrappy6/7/13 11:33 am
                       Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGserpx6/7/13 1:49 pm
                             Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGChrisTheeCrappy6/7/13 2:43 pm
                       Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGCaptain Spark6/8/13 10:17 am
           Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGDEEP NNN6/7/13 11:21 am
                 Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGChrisTheeCrappy6/7/13 11:36 am
                       Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGDEEP NNN6/7/13 11:47 am
                             Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGChrisTheeCrappy6/7/13 12:51 pm
                                   Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGCody Miller6/7/13 2:32 pm
                                         Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGChrisTheeCrappy6/7/13 2:44 pm
                       Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGRC Master6/7/13 1:20 pm
           Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGthebruce06/7/13 11:23 am
           Relevant law for those interested.Gravemind6/7/13 2:53 pm
                 Re: Relevant law for those interested.ChrisTheeCrappy6/7/13 3:13 pm
     In all honesty...padraig086/7/13 2:41 pm
           Re: In all honesty...Cody Miller6/7/13 2:46 pm
                 Re: In all honesty...Grizzlei6/7/13 2:56 pm
                       Re: In all honesty...ChrisTheeCrappy6/7/13 5:53 pm
                             Re: In all honesty...Grizzlei6/7/13 6:02 pm
                                   Re: In all honesty...SonofMacPhisto6/7/13 6:16 pm
                                         Re: In all honesty...Grizzlei6/7/13 6:31 pm
                                               Re: In all honesty...SonofMacPhisto6/7/13 7:03 pm
                                         Re: In all honesty...Revenant19886/7/13 6:36 pm
                 for you, sure.padraig086/7/13 3:40 pm
                       Re: for you, sure.Cody Miller6/7/13 4:30 pm
                             Re: for you, sure.padraig086/7/13 4:33 pm
                 Re: In all honesty...Ragashingo6/7/13 7:14 pm
                 Re: In all honesty...Chris101b6/8/13 1:24 am
     Did I win Thread of the Week? *NM*Hyokin6/7/13 4:08 pm
           The Cody Miller "all for teh lulz" awardpadraig086/7/13 4:12 pm
     Adding to the Xbox One fireserpx6/8/13 1:32 pm
     Re: Bungie clarifies always on policypete_the_duck6/8/13 3:03 pm
           MMOs & Online MP ≠ Single-player gamesGravemind6/8/13 4:47 pm
           Re: Bungie clarifies always on policySEspider6/8/13 10:54 pm
           Re: Bungie clarifies always on policyAzo 'Galvat6/8/13 11:08 pm
                 Re: Bungie clarifies always on policypete_the_duck6/9/13 12:42 am
                       Destiny is not a single player game. Makes me sad.rhubarb6/9/13 12:48 am
                             there isn't a single player component?hunt3r6/9/13 3:10 am
                                   Re: there isn't a single player component?uberfoop6/9/13 3:17 am
                                   Re: there isn't a single player component?RC Master6/9/13 5:33 am
                                         Re: there isn't a single player component?RC Master6/9/13 5:37 am
                       Re: Bungie clarifies always on policyuberfoop6/9/13 2:53 am
                       Re: Bungie clarifies always on policySEspider6/9/13 3:00 am
                       Re: Bungie clarifies always on policyThe Loot6/9/13 5:59 pm
           Re: Bungie clarifies always on policyKalamari6/9/13 12:47 am
           We already knew thisAvateur6/9/13 12:52 pm
                 Re: We already knew thisGrimBrother One6/9/13 1:06 pm
                 Re: We already knew thisDEEP NNN6/9/13 1:11 pm
                       SelfishRC Master6/9/13 1:22 pm
                             Re: SelfishDEEP NNN6/9/13 1:31 pm
                                   Re: SelfishAvateur6/9/13 2:16 pm
                                         Re: Selfishthebruce06/10/13 12:04 pm
                                               Re: SelfishSonofMacPhisto6/10/13 12:18 pm
                                                     Re: Selfishthebruce06/10/13 1:25 pm
                                                           Re: SelfishSonofMacPhisto6/10/13 1:37 pm
                                                                 Re: Selfishthebruce06/10/13 1:48 pm
                                                           Re: SelfishAvateur6/10/13 6:18 pm
                                                                 Re: Selfishthebruce06/10/13 7:14 pm
                                                                       Re: SelfishAvateur6/11/13 1:07 am
                                                                             Re: SelfishSonofMacPhisto6/11/13 8:28 am
                                   Re: SelfishSonofMacPhisto6/9/13 2:20 pm
                                         Re: SelfishDEEP NNN6/9/13 3:38 pm
                                               Re: SelfishSonofMacPhisto6/9/13 4:51 pm
                                                     Re: SelfishQuirel6/9/13 7:32 pm
                                                           Re: SelfishSonofMacPhisto6/10/13 8:43 am
                                               What are you not getting?Avateur6/9/13 5:36 pm
                                                     Re: What are you not getting?SonofMacPhisto6/9/13 5:41 pm
                                                     Re: What are you not getting?DEEP NNN6/9/13 6:10 pm
                                                           Again, what are you not getting about this?Avateur6/9/13 6:20 pm
                                                                 Re: Again, what are you not getting about this?SonofMacPhisto6/9/13 6:28 pm
                                                                 Re: Again, what are you not getting about this?DEEP NNN6/9/13 6:39 pm
                                                                       Re: Again, what are you not getting about this?Avateur6/9/13 7:11 pm
                                                                 Re: Again, what are you not getting about this?RC Master6/9/13 7:34 pm
                                                                       Re: Again, what are you not getting about this?DEEP NNN6/9/13 7:56 pm
                                                                             No, they're right. Your analogy sucks.uberfoop6/9/13 8:18 pm
                                                                                   Re: No, they're right. Your analogy sucks.DEEP NNN6/9/13 8:45 pm
                                                                                         Re: No, they're right. Your analogy sucks.Kalamari6/9/13 10:45 pm
                                                                                         Re: No, they're right. Your analogy sucks.uberfoop6/9/13 11:35 pm
                                               Re: SelfishRC Master6/9/13 5:42 pm
                                                     Re: SelfishDEEP NNN6/9/13 6:30 pm
                                                     I like this post very much. *NM*SonofMacPhisto6/9/13 6:31 pm
                             You've missed his point pretty spectacularly I feeMoorpheusl96/10/13 8:11 am
                                   Re: You've missed his point pretty spectacularly ISonofMacPhisto6/10/13 8:34 am
                                         fix'dSonofMacPhisto6/10/13 8:36 am
                                         Re: You've missed his point pretty spectacularly IMoorpheusl96/10/13 4:18 pm
                                               Re: You've missed his point pretty spectacularly ISonofMacPhisto6/10/13 4:33 pm
                                               ThanksDEEP NNN6/10/13 6:42 pm
                 Re: We already knew thisSonofMacPhisto6/9/13 2:13 pm
                       Re: We already knew thisAvateur6/9/13 2:18 pm
                             Re: We already knew thisSonofMacPhisto6/9/13 2:21 pm
     Well, Sony just won the eight generation.Gravemind6/10/13 11:41 pm
           One downside though.Gravemind6/11/13 12:14 am
                 It's $50 a year, actually...munky-0586/11/13 12:33 am
                       Re: It's $50 a year, actually...Gravemind6/11/13 2:17 am
                 BOMB! BOOM! fizzle...uberfoop6/11/13 1:13 am
                       Re: BOMB! BOOM! fizzle...Gravemind6/11/13 2:32 am
           Re: Well, Sony just won the eight generation.Cody Miller6/11/13 1:07 am
                 Re: Well, Sony just won the eight generation.Avateur6/11/13 1:09 am
                 Re: Well, Sony just won the eight generation.Bry6/11/13 4:40 am
                       Re: Well, Sony just won the eight generation.uberfoop6/11/13 5:26 am
           Sony won this battleAzo 'Galvat6/11/13 3:27 am
                 Remember Rob StarkCody Miller6/11/13 10:34 am
                       Re: Remember Rob StarkJoe Duplessie (SNIPE 316)6/11/13 10:38 am
                       Re: Remember Rob StarkKal6/11/13 10:40 am
                             Re: Remember Rob StarkCody Miller6/11/13 10:48 am
                                   Re: Remember Rob StarkKal6/11/13 10:53 am
                       Re: Remember Rob Starkmunky-0586/11/13 7:39 pm
           Is Microsoft even playing?Kal6/11/13 9:27 am
                 I'd have to agree with you there...SEspider6/11/13 10:10 am
                       Re: I'd have to agree with you there...Kal6/11/13 10:39 am
                             Re: I'd have to agree with you there...thebruce06/11/13 10:51 am
                             Re: I'd have to agree with you there...SEspider6/11/13 12:00 pm
                                   Microsoft has done this beforeKal6/11/13 12:21 pm
                                         This. *NM*thebruce06/11/13 1:07 pm
                                         Microsoft is now Apple, who woulda thunk itdavidfuchs6/11/13 1:44 pm
                                               Re: Microsoft is now Apple, who woulda thunk itKal6/11/13 5:54 pm
                                         Re: Microsoft has done this beforeLeviathan6/11/13 1:50 pm
                                               Re: Microsoft has done this beforeKal6/11/13 2:04 pm
                                                     Re: Microsoft has done this beforeSEspider6/12/13 3:18 pm
                                                           Re: Microsoft has done this beforeuberfoop6/12/13 3:45 pm
                                                           Re: Microsoft has done this beforeKal6/12/13 4:00 pm
                                                                 This *NM*thebruce06/12/13 6:27 pm
                                         Re: Microsoft has done this beforeDEEP NNN6/11/13 4:39 pm
                                               Not Really...SEspider6/12/13 3:24 pm
                             Re: I'd have to agree with you there...Devil Mingy6/11/13 12:24 pm
                             Re: I'd have to agree with you there...Bry6/12/13 4:05 am
                                   Re: I'd have to agree with you there...uberfoop6/12/13 4:22 am
                       Re: I'd have to agree with you there...thebruce06/11/13 10:48 am
                             Re: I'd have to agree with you there...SEspider6/11/13 11:25 am
     Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*uberfoop6/11/13 7:56 pm
           Bwahahaha!Quirel6/11/13 8:09 pm
                 That's why I link to the GAF thread! *NM*uberfoop6/11/13 8:10 pm
           Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*DHalo6/11/13 8:44 pm
                 Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*uberfoop6/11/13 8:50 pm
                 Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*Avateur6/11/13 9:01 pm
                       Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*DHalo6/12/13 12:24 am
                             Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*Avateur6/12/13 12:34 am
                             Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*Cody Miller6/12/13 12:37 am
                                   Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*DHalo6/12/13 12:54 am
                                         Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*Simpsons Rule6/12/13 11:24 am
                                               Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*DHalo6/12/13 11:35 am
                                                     You and I would get along really well lol. *NM*GrimBrother One6/12/13 11:53 am
           Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*Captain Spark6/11/13 8:56 pm
           Way to pour salt in your own wound, Donny.Gravemind6/11/13 9:23 pm
           Totally called it *NM*ZackDark6/11/13 9:52 pm
           InexplicableSchooly D6/11/13 9:55 pm
                 Re: InexplicableKP6/12/13 12:18 am
                 Re: InexplicableBry6/12/13 4:10 am
                 Re: Inexplicablethebruce06/12/13 10:37 am
           To be fair...padraig086/12/13 9:10 am
                 PS4 controller still sucks *NM*pete_the_duck6/12/13 9:53 am
                       This I agree withBry6/12/13 10:21 am
                             Re: This I agree withRevenant19886/12/13 10:29 am
                                   I want this so bad *NM*padraig086/12/13 10:40 am
                       This. Xbox controller is intuitive.thebruce06/12/13 10:45 am
           At least no leaks came out before E3, right? *NM* *NM*UnrealCh13f6/12/13 3:19 pm
           Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*Moorpheusl96/12/13 4:17 pm
                 Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*thebruce06/12/13 6:23 pm
                       This question has been misframed.Leisandir6/12/13 7:37 pm
                             Re: This question has been misframed.thebruce06/12/13 8:51 pm
                                   Re: This question has been misframed.SEspider6/12/13 11:29 pm
                                         Re: This question has been misframed.thebruce06/13/13 9:34 am
                                               Re: This question has been misframed.Leisandir6/13/13 10:23 am
                                                     Re: This question has been misframed.thebruce06/13/13 1:32 pm
                                   Re: This question has been misframed.Leisandir6/12/13 11:47 pm
                                         Re: This question has been misframed.pete_the_duck6/13/13 12:15 am
                                               Re: This question has been misframed.Leviathan6/13/13 1:28 am
                                                     Re: This question has been misframed.thebruce06/13/13 9:41 am
                                                           Re: This question has been misframed.Leviathan6/13/13 1:45 pm
                                                                 Re: This question has been misframed.thebruce06/13/13 2:20 pm
                                                                       Re: This question has been misframed.Leviathan6/13/13 2:44 pm
                                                                             Re: This question has been misframed.thebruce06/13/13 4:09 pm
                                                     Re: This question has been misframed.DHalo6/13/13 11:10 am
                                                           Re: This question has been misframed.Leisandir6/13/13 12:48 pm
                                                                 Re: This question has been misframed.DHalo6/13/13 2:45 pm
                                               Re: This question has been misframed.Quirel6/13/13 1:33 am
                                                     Re: This question has been misframed.pete_the_duck6/13/13 5:43 pm
                                                           Re: This question has been misframed.Avateur6/13/13 9:14 pm
                                                           I'm detecting a Hitler-metaphor inbound.Leviathan6/14/13 12:34 am
                                                                 Papiere, bitte?Quirel6/14/13 1:42 am
                                                                 Re: I'm detecting a Hitler-metaphor inbound.thebruce06/14/13 11:35 am
                                                           Re: This question has been misframed.Quirel6/14/13 1:40 am
                                                                 Re: This question has been misframed.Avateur6/14/13 12:54 pm
                                         Well, vote with your wallet. :Pthebruce06/13/13 9:54 am
                                               Re: Well, vote with your wallet. :PLeisandir6/13/13 10:30 am
                                                     Re: Well, vote with your wallet. :PDHalo6/13/13 11:13 am
                                                           Re: Well, vote with your wallet. :PLeisandir6/13/13 12:50 pm
                                                                 Re: Well, vote with your wallet. :PDHalo6/13/13 2:46 pm
                                                                       Re: Well, vote with your wallet. :Pthebruce06/13/13 4:12 pm
                                                     Re: Well, vote with your wallet. :Pthebruce06/13/13 1:38 pm
                                                           Re: Well, vote with your wallet. :PLeviathan6/13/13 1:55 pm
                                                                 Re: Well, vote with your wallet. :Pthebruce06/13/13 2:28 pm
     Are you happy, John?SEspider6/12/13 11:09 pm
           Actually, a little bit. :3 *NM*Hyokin6/13/13 12:24 am
                 now you know why Cody does it *NM*padraig086/13/13 11:28 am

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