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Re: Microsoft has done this before
By:uberfoop
Date: 6/12/13 3:45 pm
In Response To: Re: Microsoft has done this before (SEspider)

: Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Watch the
: interviews where they play DRM ran games.

Erm... "DRM" ("digital rights management") just refers to policies that prevent stuff like used games. It's cloud/Azure/servers that they're talking about assisting games, not DRM.

: A great example is Forza5 (since
: it's the only real game showcased). Elements of the game disappear during
: it's play. Trees suddenly appear that weren't there before and then
: disappear and reappear. Textures Clip in and out as do shadows. And this
: is before the console even reaches the E3 public!! Not only is it very
: distracting, it forces requirements on ISPs. Cloud is meant to store
: shared files on servers to be downloaded later. Not to be broadcasted to
: millions of people/players all at once. These files that are being shared
: in games (tree, code, etc) ARE NOT SMALL FILES by any means.

If they were experiencing graphical popping, I guarantee you it has absolutely nothing to do with cloud processing. Streaming graphical assets over the internet is, as you note, not exactly practical. If they stream them from anywhere (which some games might not have to do at all due to the size of the RAM pool), it'll be from a disc or a hard drive.

: If games (like Forza or Halo) are forcing consistent
: updates/uploads/downloads in the background (or not) then it's going to
: result in higher internet bills and less buyers. We already have players
: lagging when they have great connections. I have excellent connection here
: I live and yet I've experienced lag as well. That's just going to increase
: with more files being shared on my network.

Actually, it might get a lot better. If there's one major benefit of giving developers access to Azure, it's that dedicated servers could get a lot more common. Poor connections happen because your games on XBL are hosted peer-to-peer; even without lots of stuff happening on their network, random people on XBL tend to have laughably bad upstream bandwidth for game hosting. Servers would help enormously.

: And what about the security of Cloud Processing? Sure, MS has excellent
: encryption for their servers. But they to have been hacked. Not on the
: level of Sony's but a hack is a hack nevertheless. The closer we get to
: strictly wireless internet and the more we share over the web, the easier
: it gets for Hackers to steal information. Even tough it's still pretty
: young, Cloud encryption has proven it anything but secure. So who's to say
: that a hacker won't piggyback on a game 's cloud file and steal my
: personal information from my XBone? Don't tell me it's not possible.

It's not like your console isn't already hooked up to the internet. And if you're like most people, the really sensitive personal information is more on Microsoft's already-existing account servers than your console. Nothing much changes, I think.

: So you care about the game experience NOW more then later? Nothing wrong with
: that. From this day forth, you are obligated to NEVER touch a used game
: ever again. Even if you already own/played it. I don't care how much fun
: the game is, where how long it's been in your family, nor what how much
: goo your friends/family said it was. You only care about New Games .

: Why stop there? from this day on, you are to NEVER play with, touch, or use
: anything that has already been played with, touched, or used again. You're
: not even allowed to look at anything used again. That includes your
: eyelids for they are used as well. Learn to hover around and go ahead and
: pluck out your eyes. No need to eat for that food is not new either. Need
: to poop or pee? Too bad. Hold it in because your private parts have been
: used already. Grow NEW ones first. Just remember that you have to grow new
: ones each time you need to use the restroom. Oh and each rest room needs
: to be new as well.

: I was exaggerating there of course but it was to prove a point. New is not
: always better.

I'm not sure you got Kal's point. It was more "I want to go have fun right now regardless of potential consequences in the future" than "new is better."

: Fifteen years from now NO ONE will be able to play
: Halo5 or any other XBone game because they will require a internet connect
: and dedicated servers for those games. That means new developers will not
: be able to go back and experience what made the 8th generation of games so
: much fun/great.

Well, maybe. Concern that this could happen is encouraging me away from Xbone, but I expect the probability to actually be somewhat on the low end. A major benefit of systems like Azure is that they can allocate easy-to-use VM's to host stuff whenever necessary. Unless they were total idiots about establishing their codebase, there would be nothing that would require perpetual updates.

Xbone *might* receive good long-term support. I'm not sure enough about this to feel completely comfortable buying an Xbone (especially since I wouldn't be too shocked if Microsoft shut things down anyway out of corporate supervillainy), but I wouldn't be surprised.


Messages In This Thread

Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Hyokin6/6/13 6:38 pm
     Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Grizzlei6/6/13 6:40 pm
           What if your communist neighbor makes a tsunami?! *NM*Hyokin6/6/13 6:52 pm
           I love the way that they're spinning this.Grizzlei6/6/13 6:54 pm
           Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Kal6/6/13 7:45 pm
     Guess deployed soldiers will play the PS4 insteadkornman006/6/13 7:09 pm
     Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Devil Mingy6/6/13 7:14 pm
     Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Ragashingo6/6/13 7:20 pm
           Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Gravemind6/6/13 8:01 pm
                 Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Cody Miller6/6/13 9:09 pm
                       Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*hunt3r6/7/13 2:42 am
                             Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Cody Miller6/7/13 2:33 pm
                       Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*RC Master6/7/13 5:56 am
                             Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*thebruce06/7/13 9:14 am
                 More about PS4 online requirements.Gravemind6/7/13 1:27 pm
     Bad implications for the XBO's future prospects.Gravemind6/6/13 7:31 pm
           Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONERevenant19886/6/13 8:01 pm
                 erp- Missed a formatting tag in der. Sorry! *NM*Revenant19886/6/13 8:05 pm
                 Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONEsnakegriffin6/6/13 8:57 pm
                 Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONELeisandir6/6/13 11:47 pm
                       Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONEDevil Mingy6/6/13 11:58 pm
                             Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONEBry6/7/13 3:27 pm
                       Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONEthebruce06/7/13 9:19 am
                       Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONERevenant19886/7/13 12:08 pm
                             Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONELeisandir6/7/13 1:55 pm
                 Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONESonofMacPhisto6/7/13 8:43 am
                       Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONERevenant19886/7/13 9:11 am
                             Try Paddy-Cycling your modem *NM*padraig086/7/13 11:20 am
                 If I was in chargepadraig086/7/13 11:24 am
                       Re: If I was in chargeRC Master6/7/13 11:28 am
                             Re: If I was in chargepadraig086/7/13 1:14 pm
                                   Re: If I was in chargeRagashingo6/7/13 1:24 pm
           Yep.Ragashingo6/6/13 8:50 pm
                 Re: Yep.Cody Miller6/6/13 9:12 pm
                 Re: Yep.Gravemind6/7/13 1:41 am
           My thoughts.Captain Spark6/7/13 9:36 am
     Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Jaydee6/6/13 10:20 pm
           Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Devil Mingy6/6/13 10:25 pm
     That has got to be one of the dumbest...SEspider6/6/13 11:08 pm
           Exactly their pointZackDark6/6/13 11:21 pm
                 But it's all about sales right?breitzen6/7/13 12:17 am
                       It's a gamble *NM*ZackDark6/7/13 9:13 am
                             Re: It's a gamblethebruce06/7/13 9:25 am
     What they really need to do.uberfoop6/7/13 12:01 am
           Shit. I forgot about that.Gravemind6/7/13 1:49 am
                 Re: Shit. I forgot about that.thebruce06/7/13 9:32 am
     Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Azo 'Galvat6/7/13 12:39 am
     Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*serpx6/7/13 12:43 am
     Unless the net-requirement changes, no more Xbox.Leviathan6/7/13 2:18 am
           Re: Unless the net-requirement changes, no more XbSonofMacPhisto6/7/13 8:45 am
     saw this coming...hunt3r6/7/13 2:44 am
     Hey guys who thought the naysayers jumped the gunPkmnrulz2406/7/13 4:45 am
     The view from that ivory tower...RC Master6/7/13 6:59 am
           Thank you for the -perfect- setupBry6/7/13 3:33 pm
                 Damn!Gravemind6/7/13 11:09 pm
           Mmm Ivory Tower... *NM*snakegriffin6/7/13 5:42 pm
     Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*CaneCutter6/7/13 9:30 am
     You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGChrisTheeCrappy6/7/13 9:44 am
           Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGCaptain Spark6/7/13 10:23 am
                 Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGChrisTheeCrappy6/7/13 11:33 am
                       Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGserpx6/7/13 1:49 pm
                             Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGChrisTheeCrappy6/7/13 2:43 pm
                       Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGCaptain Spark6/8/13 10:17 am
           Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGDEEP NNN6/7/13 11:21 am
                 Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGChrisTheeCrappy6/7/13 11:36 am
                       Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGDEEP NNN6/7/13 11:47 am
                             Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGChrisTheeCrappy6/7/13 12:51 pm
                                   Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGCody Miller6/7/13 2:32 pm
                                         Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGChrisTheeCrappy6/7/13 2:44 pm
                       Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGRC Master6/7/13 1:20 pm
           Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGthebruce06/7/13 11:23 am
           Relevant law for those interested.Gravemind6/7/13 2:53 pm
                 Re: Relevant law for those interested.ChrisTheeCrappy6/7/13 3:13 pm
     In all honesty...padraig086/7/13 2:41 pm
           Re: In all honesty...Cody Miller6/7/13 2:46 pm
                 Re: In all honesty...Grizzlei6/7/13 2:56 pm
                       Re: In all honesty...ChrisTheeCrappy6/7/13 5:53 pm
                             Re: In all honesty...Grizzlei6/7/13 6:02 pm
                                   Re: In all honesty...SonofMacPhisto6/7/13 6:16 pm
                                         Re: In all honesty...Grizzlei6/7/13 6:31 pm
                                               Re: In all honesty...SonofMacPhisto6/7/13 7:03 pm
                                         Re: In all honesty...Revenant19886/7/13 6:36 pm
                 for you, sure.padraig086/7/13 3:40 pm
                       Re: for you, sure.Cody Miller6/7/13 4:30 pm
                             Re: for you, sure.padraig086/7/13 4:33 pm
                 Re: In all honesty...Ragashingo6/7/13 7:14 pm
                 Re: In all honesty...Chris101b6/8/13 1:24 am
     Did I win Thread of the Week? *NM*Hyokin6/7/13 4:08 pm
           The Cody Miller "all for teh lulz" awardpadraig086/7/13 4:12 pm
     Adding to the Xbox One fireserpx6/8/13 1:32 pm
     Re: Bungie clarifies always on policypete_the_duck6/8/13 3:03 pm
           MMOs & Online MP ≠ Single-player gamesGravemind6/8/13 4:47 pm
           Re: Bungie clarifies always on policySEspider6/8/13 10:54 pm
           Re: Bungie clarifies always on policyAzo 'Galvat6/8/13 11:08 pm
                 Re: Bungie clarifies always on policypete_the_duck6/9/13 12:42 am
                       Destiny is not a single player game. Makes me sad.rhubarb6/9/13 12:48 am
                             there isn't a single player component?hunt3r6/9/13 3:10 am
                                   Re: there isn't a single player component?uberfoop6/9/13 3:17 am
                                   Re: there isn't a single player component?RC Master6/9/13 5:33 am
                                         Re: there isn't a single player component?RC Master6/9/13 5:37 am
                       Re: Bungie clarifies always on policyuberfoop6/9/13 2:53 am
                       Re: Bungie clarifies always on policySEspider6/9/13 3:00 am
                       Re: Bungie clarifies always on policyThe Loot6/9/13 5:59 pm
           Re: Bungie clarifies always on policyKalamari6/9/13 12:47 am
           We already knew thisAvateur6/9/13 12:52 pm
                 Re: We already knew thisGrimBrother One6/9/13 1:06 pm
                 Re: We already knew thisDEEP NNN6/9/13 1:11 pm
                       SelfishRC Master6/9/13 1:22 pm
                             Re: SelfishDEEP NNN6/9/13 1:31 pm
                                   Re: SelfishAvateur6/9/13 2:16 pm
                                         Re: Selfishthebruce06/10/13 12:04 pm
                                               Re: SelfishSonofMacPhisto6/10/13 12:18 pm
                                                     Re: Selfishthebruce06/10/13 1:25 pm
                                                           Re: SelfishSonofMacPhisto6/10/13 1:37 pm
                                                                 Re: Selfishthebruce06/10/13 1:48 pm
                                                           Re: SelfishAvateur6/10/13 6:18 pm
                                                                 Re: Selfishthebruce06/10/13 7:14 pm
                                                                       Re: SelfishAvateur6/11/13 1:07 am
                                                                             Re: SelfishSonofMacPhisto6/11/13 8:28 am
                                   Re: SelfishSonofMacPhisto6/9/13 2:20 pm
                                         Re: SelfishDEEP NNN6/9/13 3:38 pm
                                               Re: SelfishSonofMacPhisto6/9/13 4:51 pm
                                                     Re: SelfishQuirel6/9/13 7:32 pm
                                                           Re: SelfishSonofMacPhisto6/10/13 8:43 am
                                               What are you not getting?Avateur6/9/13 5:36 pm
                                                     Re: What are you not getting?SonofMacPhisto6/9/13 5:41 pm
                                                     Re: What are you not getting?DEEP NNN6/9/13 6:10 pm
                                                           Again, what are you not getting about this?Avateur6/9/13 6:20 pm
                                                                 Re: Again, what are you not getting about this?SonofMacPhisto6/9/13 6:28 pm
                                                                 Re: Again, what are you not getting about this?DEEP NNN6/9/13 6:39 pm
                                                                       Re: Again, what are you not getting about this?Avateur6/9/13 7:11 pm
                                                                 Re: Again, what are you not getting about this?RC Master6/9/13 7:34 pm
                                                                       Re: Again, what are you not getting about this?DEEP NNN6/9/13 7:56 pm
                                                                             No, they're right. Your analogy sucks.uberfoop6/9/13 8:18 pm
                                                                                   Re: No, they're right. Your analogy sucks.DEEP NNN6/9/13 8:45 pm
                                                                                         Re: No, they're right. Your analogy sucks.Kalamari6/9/13 10:45 pm
                                                                                         Re: No, they're right. Your analogy sucks.uberfoop6/9/13 11:35 pm
                                               Re: SelfishRC Master6/9/13 5:42 pm
                                                     Re: SelfishDEEP NNN6/9/13 6:30 pm
                                                     I like this post very much. *NM*SonofMacPhisto6/9/13 6:31 pm
                             You've missed his point pretty spectacularly I feeMoorpheusl96/10/13 8:11 am
                                   Re: You've missed his point pretty spectacularly ISonofMacPhisto6/10/13 8:34 am
                                         fix'dSonofMacPhisto6/10/13 8:36 am
                                         Re: You've missed his point pretty spectacularly IMoorpheusl96/10/13 4:18 pm
                                               Re: You've missed his point pretty spectacularly ISonofMacPhisto6/10/13 4:33 pm
                                               ThanksDEEP NNN6/10/13 6:42 pm
                 Re: We already knew thisSonofMacPhisto6/9/13 2:13 pm
                       Re: We already knew thisAvateur6/9/13 2:18 pm
                             Re: We already knew thisSonofMacPhisto6/9/13 2:21 pm
     Well, Sony just won the eight generation.Gravemind6/10/13 11:41 pm
           One downside though.Gravemind6/11/13 12:14 am
                 It's $50 a year, actually...munky-0586/11/13 12:33 am
                       Re: It's $50 a year, actually...Gravemind6/11/13 2:17 am
                 BOMB! BOOM! fizzle...uberfoop6/11/13 1:13 am
                       Re: BOMB! BOOM! fizzle...Gravemind6/11/13 2:32 am
           Re: Well, Sony just won the eight generation.Cody Miller6/11/13 1:07 am
                 Re: Well, Sony just won the eight generation.Avateur6/11/13 1:09 am
                 Re: Well, Sony just won the eight generation.Bry6/11/13 4:40 am
                       Re: Well, Sony just won the eight generation.uberfoop6/11/13 5:26 am
           Sony won this battleAzo 'Galvat6/11/13 3:27 am
                 Remember Rob StarkCody Miller6/11/13 10:34 am
                       Re: Remember Rob StarkJoe Duplessie (SNIPE 316)6/11/13 10:38 am
                       Re: Remember Rob StarkKal6/11/13 10:40 am
                             Re: Remember Rob StarkCody Miller6/11/13 10:48 am
                                   Re: Remember Rob StarkKal6/11/13 10:53 am
                       Re: Remember Rob Starkmunky-0586/11/13 7:39 pm
           Is Microsoft even playing?Kal6/11/13 9:27 am
                 I'd have to agree with you there...SEspider6/11/13 10:10 am
                       Re: I'd have to agree with you there...Kal6/11/13 10:39 am
                             Re: I'd have to agree with you there...thebruce06/11/13 10:51 am
                             Re: I'd have to agree with you there...SEspider6/11/13 12:00 pm
                                   Microsoft has done this beforeKal6/11/13 12:21 pm
                                         This. *NM*thebruce06/11/13 1:07 pm
                                         Microsoft is now Apple, who woulda thunk itdavidfuchs6/11/13 1:44 pm
                                               Re: Microsoft is now Apple, who woulda thunk itKal6/11/13 5:54 pm
                                         Re: Microsoft has done this beforeLeviathan6/11/13 1:50 pm
                                               Re: Microsoft has done this beforeKal6/11/13 2:04 pm
                                                     Re: Microsoft has done this beforeSEspider6/12/13 3:18 pm
                                                           Re: Microsoft has done this beforeuberfoop6/12/13 3:45 pm
                                                           Re: Microsoft has done this beforeKal6/12/13 4:00 pm
                                                                 This *NM*thebruce06/12/13 6:27 pm
                                         Re: Microsoft has done this beforeDEEP NNN6/11/13 4:39 pm
                                               Not Really...SEspider6/12/13 3:24 pm
                             Re: I'd have to agree with you there...Devil Mingy6/11/13 12:24 pm
                             Re: I'd have to agree with you there...Bry6/12/13 4:05 am
                                   Re: I'd have to agree with you there...uberfoop6/12/13 4:22 am
                       Re: I'd have to agree with you there...thebruce06/11/13 10:48 am
                             Re: I'd have to agree with you there...SEspider6/11/13 11:25 am
     Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*uberfoop6/11/13 7:56 pm
           Bwahahaha!Quirel6/11/13 8:09 pm
                 That's why I link to the GAF thread! *NM*uberfoop6/11/13 8:10 pm
           Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*DHalo6/11/13 8:44 pm
                 Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*uberfoop6/11/13 8:50 pm
                 Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*Avateur6/11/13 9:01 pm
                       Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*DHalo6/12/13 12:24 am
                             Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*Avateur6/12/13 12:34 am
                             Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*Cody Miller6/12/13 12:37 am
                                   Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*DHalo6/12/13 12:54 am
                                         Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*Simpsons Rule6/12/13 11:24 am
                                               Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*DHalo6/12/13 11:35 am
                                                     You and I would get along really well lol. *NM*GrimBrother One6/12/13 11:53 am
           Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*Captain Spark6/11/13 8:56 pm
           Way to pour salt in your own wound, Donny.Gravemind6/11/13 9:23 pm
           Totally called it *NM*ZackDark6/11/13 9:52 pm
           InexplicableSchooly D6/11/13 9:55 pm
                 Re: InexplicableKP6/12/13 12:18 am
                 Re: InexplicableBry6/12/13 4:10 am
                 Re: Inexplicablethebruce06/12/13 10:37 am
           To be fair...padraig086/12/13 9:10 am
                 PS4 controller still sucks *NM*pete_the_duck6/12/13 9:53 am
                       This I agree withBry6/12/13 10:21 am
                             Re: This I agree withRevenant19886/12/13 10:29 am
                                   I want this so bad *NM*padraig086/12/13 10:40 am
                       This. Xbox controller is intuitive.thebruce06/12/13 10:45 am
           At least no leaks came out before E3, right? *NM* *NM*UnrealCh13f6/12/13 3:19 pm
           Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*Moorpheusl96/12/13 4:17 pm
                 Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*thebruce06/12/13 6:23 pm
                       This question has been misframed.Leisandir6/12/13 7:37 pm
                             Re: This question has been misframed.thebruce06/12/13 8:51 pm
                                   Re: This question has been misframed.SEspider6/12/13 11:29 pm
                                         Re: This question has been misframed.thebruce06/13/13 9:34 am
                                               Re: This question has been misframed.Leisandir6/13/13 10:23 am
                                                     Re: This question has been misframed.thebruce06/13/13 1:32 pm
                                   Re: This question has been misframed.Leisandir6/12/13 11:47 pm
                                         Re: This question has been misframed.pete_the_duck6/13/13 12:15 am
                                               Re: This question has been misframed.Leviathan6/13/13 1:28 am
                                                     Re: This question has been misframed.thebruce06/13/13 9:41 am
                                                           Re: This question has been misframed.Leviathan6/13/13 1:45 pm
                                                                 Re: This question has been misframed.thebruce06/13/13 2:20 pm
                                                                       Re: This question has been misframed.Leviathan6/13/13 2:44 pm
                                                                             Re: This question has been misframed.thebruce06/13/13 4:09 pm
                                                     Re: This question has been misframed.DHalo6/13/13 11:10 am
                                                           Re: This question has been misframed.Leisandir6/13/13 12:48 pm
                                                                 Re: This question has been misframed.DHalo6/13/13 2:45 pm
                                               Re: This question has been misframed.Quirel6/13/13 1:33 am
                                                     Re: This question has been misframed.pete_the_duck6/13/13 5:43 pm
                                                           Re: This question has been misframed.Avateur6/13/13 9:14 pm
                                                           I'm detecting a Hitler-metaphor inbound.Leviathan6/14/13 12:34 am
                                                                 Papiere, bitte?Quirel6/14/13 1:42 am
                                                                 Re: I'm detecting a Hitler-metaphor inbound.thebruce06/14/13 11:35 am
                                                           Re: This question has been misframed.Quirel6/14/13 1:40 am
                                                                 Re: This question has been misframed.Avateur6/14/13 12:54 pm
                                         Well, vote with your wallet. :Pthebruce06/13/13 9:54 am
                                               Re: Well, vote with your wallet. :PLeisandir6/13/13 10:30 am
                                                     Re: Well, vote with your wallet. :PDHalo6/13/13 11:13 am
                                                           Re: Well, vote with your wallet. :PLeisandir6/13/13 12:50 pm
                                                                 Re: Well, vote with your wallet. :PDHalo6/13/13 2:46 pm
                                                                       Re: Well, vote with your wallet. :Pthebruce06/13/13 4:12 pm
                                                     Re: Well, vote with your wallet. :Pthebruce06/13/13 1:38 pm
                                                           Re: Well, vote with your wallet. :PLeviathan6/13/13 1:55 pm
                                                                 Re: Well, vote with your wallet. :Pthebruce06/13/13 2:28 pm
     Are you happy, John?SEspider6/12/13 11:09 pm
           Actually, a little bit. :3 *NM*Hyokin6/13/13 12:24 am
                 now you know why Cody does it *NM*padraig086/13/13 11:28 am

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