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Re: Microsoft has done this before
By:Kal
Date: 6/11/13 2:04 pm
In Response To: Re: Microsoft has done this before (Leviathan)

: Even if I had internet or wanted to be connected all the time, I still
: dislike the DRM ideas they've presented and pretentious attitude they've
: presented them with. In fact, it almost seems like a lack of innovation!
: Instead of focusing on making a better game, a better product, they've
: forcing me to change my own habits and how I get to play their games, so
: they can continue to make the most money possible in a changing
: environment. They're making the consumer do their work for them.

Microsoft is setting up a system of 100% digital downloads. The disc-based media is a compromised inclusion that function identically to digital downloads. Once you install the disc, you can throw it away. I can't really think of any system that will allow them to do just that which doesn't include some kind of DRM.

If there was no check-in, you could purchase one Halo 5 disc and share it with 100 friends. They each install the game and play it together, all at the same time. Making a copy of a game would be as easy as giving it to a friend.

Microsoft sees the most potential in an all-digital marketplace. For that to exist you need some connectivity requirement. It frees up developers to make games knowing that 100% of the players will be connected to the internet, too.

: I'd be essentially renting games for a limited time from them. When the Xbox
: 360 servers go offline someday, I'll get to still play Halo 3 when I'm 80.
: When the XboxONE goes offline in 10 or 15 years, I'll have nothing. And if
: I can't resell games, etc. I'm essentially owning nothing but Microsoft's
: good grace.

I guess that could be a concern. I'm not going to let the possibility that I might not be able to play Halo 5 in 2030 stop me from enjoying it today, though.

: The fact that they're not going to support indie games anymore continues to
: pound into me that they're focused on big companies making more profits,
: not good games with their new game console.

I'm not really familiar with this. I know Microsoft has been pretty kind to indie developers with XBLA over the past 8 years. I'm not knowledgeable about their plans with the One in this regard, though.


Messages In This Thread

Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Hyokin6/6/13 6:38 pm
     Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Grizzlei6/6/13 6:40 pm
           What if your communist neighbor makes a tsunami?! *NM*Hyokin6/6/13 6:52 pm
           I love the way that they're spinning this.Grizzlei6/6/13 6:54 pm
           Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Kal6/6/13 7:45 pm
     Guess deployed soldiers will play the PS4 insteadkornman006/6/13 7:09 pm
     Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Devil Mingy6/6/13 7:14 pm
     Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Ragashingo6/6/13 7:20 pm
           Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Gravemind6/6/13 8:01 pm
                 Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Cody Miller6/6/13 9:09 pm
                       Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*hunt3r6/7/13 2:42 am
                             Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Cody Miller6/7/13 2:33 pm
                       Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*RC Master6/7/13 5:56 am
                             Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*thebruce06/7/13 9:14 am
                 More about PS4 online requirements.Gravemind6/7/13 1:27 pm
     Bad implications for the XBO's future prospects.Gravemind6/6/13 7:31 pm
           Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONERevenant19886/6/13 8:01 pm
                 erp- Missed a formatting tag in der. Sorry! *NM*Revenant19886/6/13 8:05 pm
                 Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONEsnakegriffin6/6/13 8:57 pm
                 Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONELeisandir6/6/13 11:47 pm
                       Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONEDevil Mingy6/6/13 11:58 pm
                             Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONEBry6/7/13 3:27 pm
                       Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONEthebruce06/7/13 9:19 am
                       Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONERevenant19886/7/13 12:08 pm
                             Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONELeisandir6/7/13 1:55 pm
                 Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONESonofMacPhisto6/7/13 8:43 am
                       Re: Chances are if they can afford to buy an XBONERevenant19886/7/13 9:11 am
                             Try Paddy-Cycling your modem *NM*padraig086/7/13 11:20 am
                 If I was in chargepadraig086/7/13 11:24 am
                       Re: If I was in chargeRC Master6/7/13 11:28 am
                             Re: If I was in chargepadraig086/7/13 1:14 pm
                                   Re: If I was in chargeRagashingo6/7/13 1:24 pm
           Yep.Ragashingo6/6/13 8:50 pm
                 Re: Yep.Cody Miller6/6/13 9:12 pm
                 Re: Yep.Gravemind6/7/13 1:41 am
           My thoughts.Captain Spark6/7/13 9:36 am
     Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Jaydee6/6/13 10:20 pm
           Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Devil Mingy6/6/13 10:25 pm
     That has got to be one of the dumbest...SEspider6/6/13 11:08 pm
           Exactly their pointZackDark6/6/13 11:21 pm
                 But it's all about sales right?breitzen6/7/13 12:17 am
                       It's a gamble *NM*ZackDark6/7/13 9:13 am
                             Re: It's a gamblethebruce06/7/13 9:25 am
     What they really need to do.uberfoop6/7/13 12:01 am
           Shit. I forgot about that.Gravemind6/7/13 1:49 am
                 Re: Shit. I forgot about that.thebruce06/7/13 9:32 am
     Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*Azo 'Galvat6/7/13 12:39 am
     Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*serpx6/7/13 12:43 am
     Unless the net-requirement changes, no more Xbox.Leviathan6/7/13 2:18 am
           Re: Unless the net-requirement changes, no more XbSonofMacPhisto6/7/13 8:45 am
     saw this coming...hunt3r6/7/13 2:44 am
     Hey guys who thought the naysayers jumped the gunPkmnrulz2406/7/13 4:45 am
     The view from that ivory tower...RC Master6/7/13 6:59 am
           Thank you for the -perfect- setupBry6/7/13 3:33 pm
                 Damn!Gravemind6/7/13 11:09 pm
           Mmm Ivory Tower... *NM*snakegriffin6/7/13 5:42 pm
     Re: Microsoft Clarifies "Always On" Policy *OT*CaneCutter6/7/13 9:30 am
     You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGChrisTheeCrappy6/7/13 9:44 am
           Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGCaptain Spark6/7/13 10:23 am
                 Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGChrisTheeCrappy6/7/13 11:33 am
                       Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGserpx6/7/13 1:49 pm
                             Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGChrisTheeCrappy6/7/13 2:43 pm
                       Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGCaptain Spark6/8/13 10:17 am
           Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGDEEP NNN6/7/13 11:21 am
                 Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGChrisTheeCrappy6/7/13 11:36 am
                       Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGDEEP NNN6/7/13 11:47 am
                             Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGChrisTheeCrappy6/7/13 12:51 pm
                                   Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGCody Miller6/7/13 2:32 pm
                                         Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGChrisTheeCrappy6/7/13 2:44 pm
                       Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGRC Master6/7/13 1:20 pm
           Re: You are all forgetting one IMPORTANT THINGthebruce06/7/13 11:23 am
           Relevant law for those interested.Gravemind6/7/13 2:53 pm
                 Re: Relevant law for those interested.ChrisTheeCrappy6/7/13 3:13 pm
     In all honesty...padraig086/7/13 2:41 pm
           Re: In all honesty...Cody Miller6/7/13 2:46 pm
                 Re: In all honesty...Grizzlei6/7/13 2:56 pm
                       Re: In all honesty...ChrisTheeCrappy6/7/13 5:53 pm
                             Re: In all honesty...Grizzlei6/7/13 6:02 pm
                                   Re: In all honesty...SonofMacPhisto6/7/13 6:16 pm
                                         Re: In all honesty...Grizzlei6/7/13 6:31 pm
                                               Re: In all honesty...SonofMacPhisto6/7/13 7:03 pm
                                         Re: In all honesty...Revenant19886/7/13 6:36 pm
                 for you, sure.padraig086/7/13 3:40 pm
                       Re: for you, sure.Cody Miller6/7/13 4:30 pm
                             Re: for you, sure.padraig086/7/13 4:33 pm
                 Re: In all honesty...Ragashingo6/7/13 7:14 pm
                 Re: In all honesty...Chris101b6/8/13 1:24 am
     Did I win Thread of the Week? *NM*Hyokin6/7/13 4:08 pm
           The Cody Miller "all for teh lulz" awardpadraig086/7/13 4:12 pm
     Adding to the Xbox One fireserpx6/8/13 1:32 pm
     Re: Bungie clarifies always on policypete_the_duck6/8/13 3:03 pm
           MMOs & Online MP ≠ Single-player gamesGravemind6/8/13 4:47 pm
           Re: Bungie clarifies always on policySEspider6/8/13 10:54 pm
           Re: Bungie clarifies always on policyAzo 'Galvat6/8/13 11:08 pm
                 Re: Bungie clarifies always on policypete_the_duck6/9/13 12:42 am
                       Destiny is not a single player game. Makes me sad.rhubarb6/9/13 12:48 am
                             there isn't a single player component?hunt3r6/9/13 3:10 am
                                   Re: there isn't a single player component?uberfoop6/9/13 3:17 am
                                   Re: there isn't a single player component?RC Master6/9/13 5:33 am
                                         Re: there isn't a single player component?RC Master6/9/13 5:37 am
                       Re: Bungie clarifies always on policyuberfoop6/9/13 2:53 am
                       Re: Bungie clarifies always on policySEspider6/9/13 3:00 am
                       Re: Bungie clarifies always on policyThe Loot6/9/13 5:59 pm
           Re: Bungie clarifies always on policyKalamari6/9/13 12:47 am
           We already knew thisAvateur6/9/13 12:52 pm
                 Re: We already knew thisGrimBrother One6/9/13 1:06 pm
                 Re: We already knew thisDEEP NNN6/9/13 1:11 pm
                       SelfishRC Master6/9/13 1:22 pm
                             Re: SelfishDEEP NNN6/9/13 1:31 pm
                                   Re: SelfishAvateur6/9/13 2:16 pm
                                         Re: Selfishthebruce06/10/13 12:04 pm
                                               Re: SelfishSonofMacPhisto6/10/13 12:18 pm
                                                     Re: Selfishthebruce06/10/13 1:25 pm
                                                           Re: SelfishSonofMacPhisto6/10/13 1:37 pm
                                                                 Re: Selfishthebruce06/10/13 1:48 pm
                                                           Re: SelfishAvateur6/10/13 6:18 pm
                                                                 Re: Selfishthebruce06/10/13 7:14 pm
                                                                       Re: SelfishAvateur6/11/13 1:07 am
                                                                             Re: SelfishSonofMacPhisto6/11/13 8:28 am
                                   Re: SelfishSonofMacPhisto6/9/13 2:20 pm
                                         Re: SelfishDEEP NNN6/9/13 3:38 pm
                                               Re: SelfishSonofMacPhisto6/9/13 4:51 pm
                                                     Re: SelfishQuirel6/9/13 7:32 pm
                                                           Re: SelfishSonofMacPhisto6/10/13 8:43 am
                                               What are you not getting?Avateur6/9/13 5:36 pm
                                                     Re: What are you not getting?SonofMacPhisto6/9/13 5:41 pm
                                                     Re: What are you not getting?DEEP NNN6/9/13 6:10 pm
                                                           Again, what are you not getting about this?Avateur6/9/13 6:20 pm
                                                                 Re: Again, what are you not getting about this?SonofMacPhisto6/9/13 6:28 pm
                                                                 Re: Again, what are you not getting about this?DEEP NNN6/9/13 6:39 pm
                                                                       Re: Again, what are you not getting about this?Avateur6/9/13 7:11 pm
                                                                 Re: Again, what are you not getting about this?RC Master6/9/13 7:34 pm
                                                                       Re: Again, what are you not getting about this?DEEP NNN6/9/13 7:56 pm
                                                                             No, they're right. Your analogy sucks.uberfoop6/9/13 8:18 pm
                                                                                   Re: No, they're right. Your analogy sucks.DEEP NNN6/9/13 8:45 pm
                                                                                         Re: No, they're right. Your analogy sucks.Kalamari6/9/13 10:45 pm
                                                                                         Re: No, they're right. Your analogy sucks.uberfoop6/9/13 11:35 pm
                                               Re: SelfishRC Master6/9/13 5:42 pm
                                                     Re: SelfishDEEP NNN6/9/13 6:30 pm
                                                     I like this post very much. *NM*SonofMacPhisto6/9/13 6:31 pm
                             You've missed his point pretty spectacularly I feeMoorpheusl96/10/13 8:11 am
                                   Re: You've missed his point pretty spectacularly ISonofMacPhisto6/10/13 8:34 am
                                         fix'dSonofMacPhisto6/10/13 8:36 am
                                         Re: You've missed his point pretty spectacularly IMoorpheusl96/10/13 4:18 pm
                                               Re: You've missed his point pretty spectacularly ISonofMacPhisto6/10/13 4:33 pm
                                               ThanksDEEP NNN6/10/13 6:42 pm
                 Re: We already knew thisSonofMacPhisto6/9/13 2:13 pm
                       Re: We already knew thisAvateur6/9/13 2:18 pm
                             Re: We already knew thisSonofMacPhisto6/9/13 2:21 pm
     Well, Sony just won the eight generation.Gravemind6/10/13 11:41 pm
           One downside though.Gravemind6/11/13 12:14 am
                 It's $50 a year, actually...munky-0586/11/13 12:33 am
                       Re: It's $50 a year, actually...Gravemind6/11/13 2:17 am
                 BOMB! BOOM! fizzle...uberfoop6/11/13 1:13 am
                       Re: BOMB! BOOM! fizzle...Gravemind6/11/13 2:32 am
           Re: Well, Sony just won the eight generation.Cody Miller6/11/13 1:07 am
                 Re: Well, Sony just won the eight generation.Avateur6/11/13 1:09 am
                 Re: Well, Sony just won the eight generation.Bry6/11/13 4:40 am
                       Re: Well, Sony just won the eight generation.uberfoop6/11/13 5:26 am
           Sony won this battleAzo 'Galvat6/11/13 3:27 am
                 Remember Rob StarkCody Miller6/11/13 10:34 am
                       Re: Remember Rob StarkJoe Duplessie (SNIPE 316)6/11/13 10:38 am
                       Re: Remember Rob StarkKal6/11/13 10:40 am
                             Re: Remember Rob StarkCody Miller6/11/13 10:48 am
                                   Re: Remember Rob StarkKal6/11/13 10:53 am
                       Re: Remember Rob Starkmunky-0586/11/13 7:39 pm
           Is Microsoft even playing?Kal6/11/13 9:27 am
                 I'd have to agree with you there...SEspider6/11/13 10:10 am
                       Re: I'd have to agree with you there...Kal6/11/13 10:39 am
                             Re: I'd have to agree with you there...thebruce06/11/13 10:51 am
                             Re: I'd have to agree with you there...SEspider6/11/13 12:00 pm
                                   Microsoft has done this beforeKal6/11/13 12:21 pm
                                         This. *NM*thebruce06/11/13 1:07 pm
                                         Microsoft is now Apple, who woulda thunk itdavidfuchs6/11/13 1:44 pm
                                               Re: Microsoft is now Apple, who woulda thunk itKal6/11/13 5:54 pm
                                         Re: Microsoft has done this beforeLeviathan6/11/13 1:50 pm
                                               Re: Microsoft has done this beforeKal6/11/13 2:04 pm
                                                     Re: Microsoft has done this beforeSEspider6/12/13 3:18 pm
                                                           Re: Microsoft has done this beforeuberfoop6/12/13 3:45 pm
                                                           Re: Microsoft has done this beforeKal6/12/13 4:00 pm
                                                                 This *NM*thebruce06/12/13 6:27 pm
                                         Re: Microsoft has done this beforeDEEP NNN6/11/13 4:39 pm
                                               Not Really...SEspider6/12/13 3:24 pm
                             Re: I'd have to agree with you there...Devil Mingy6/11/13 12:24 pm
                             Re: I'd have to agree with you there...Bry6/12/13 4:05 am
                                   Re: I'd have to agree with you there...uberfoop6/12/13 4:22 am
                       Re: I'd have to agree with you there...thebruce06/11/13 10:48 am
                             Re: I'd have to agree with you there...SEspider6/11/13 11:25 am
     Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*uberfoop6/11/13 7:56 pm
           Bwahahaha!Quirel6/11/13 8:09 pm
                 That's why I link to the GAF thread! *NM*uberfoop6/11/13 8:10 pm
           Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*DHalo6/11/13 8:44 pm
                 Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*uberfoop6/11/13 8:50 pm
                 Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*Avateur6/11/13 9:01 pm
                       Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*DHalo6/12/13 12:24 am
                             Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*Avateur6/12/13 12:34 am
                             Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*Cody Miller6/12/13 12:37 am
                                   Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*DHalo6/12/13 12:54 am
                                         Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*Simpsons Rule6/12/13 11:24 am
                                               Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*DHalo6/12/13 11:35 am
                                                     You and I would get along really well lol. *NM*GrimBrother One6/12/13 11:53 am
           Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*Captain Spark6/11/13 8:56 pm
           Way to pour salt in your own wound, Donny.Gravemind6/11/13 9:23 pm
           Totally called it *NM*ZackDark6/11/13 9:52 pm
           InexplicableSchooly D6/11/13 9:55 pm
                 Re: InexplicableKP6/12/13 12:18 am
                 Re: InexplicableBry6/12/13 4:10 am
                 Re: Inexplicablethebruce06/12/13 10:37 am
           To be fair...padraig086/12/13 9:10 am
                 PS4 controller still sucks *NM*pete_the_duck6/12/13 9:53 am
                       This I agree withBry6/12/13 10:21 am
                             Re: This I agree withRevenant19886/12/13 10:29 am
                                   I want this so bad *NM*padraig086/12/13 10:40 am
                       This. Xbox controller is intuitive.thebruce06/12/13 10:45 am
           At least no leaks came out before E3, right? *NM* *NM*UnrealCh13f6/12/13 3:19 pm
           Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*Moorpheusl96/12/13 4:17 pm
                 Re: Microsoft is on a roll. *OT*thebruce06/12/13 6:23 pm
                       This question has been misframed.Leisandir6/12/13 7:37 pm
                             Re: This question has been misframed.thebruce06/12/13 8:51 pm
                                   Re: This question has been misframed.SEspider6/12/13 11:29 pm
                                         Re: This question has been misframed.thebruce06/13/13 9:34 am
                                               Re: This question has been misframed.Leisandir6/13/13 10:23 am
                                                     Re: This question has been misframed.thebruce06/13/13 1:32 pm
                                   Re: This question has been misframed.Leisandir6/12/13 11:47 pm
                                         Re: This question has been misframed.pete_the_duck6/13/13 12:15 am
                                               Re: This question has been misframed.Leviathan6/13/13 1:28 am
                                                     Re: This question has been misframed.thebruce06/13/13 9:41 am
                                                           Re: This question has been misframed.Leviathan6/13/13 1:45 pm
                                                                 Re: This question has been misframed.thebruce06/13/13 2:20 pm
                                                                       Re: This question has been misframed.Leviathan6/13/13 2:44 pm
                                                                             Re: This question has been misframed.thebruce06/13/13 4:09 pm
                                                     Re: This question has been misframed.DHalo6/13/13 11:10 am
                                                           Re: This question has been misframed.Leisandir6/13/13 12:48 pm
                                                                 Re: This question has been misframed.DHalo6/13/13 2:45 pm
                                               Re: This question has been misframed.Quirel6/13/13 1:33 am
                                                     Re: This question has been misframed.pete_the_duck6/13/13 5:43 pm
                                                           Re: This question has been misframed.Avateur6/13/13 9:14 pm
                                                           I'm detecting a Hitler-metaphor inbound.Leviathan6/14/13 12:34 am
                                                                 Papiere, bitte?Quirel6/14/13 1:42 am
                                                                 Re: I'm detecting a Hitler-metaphor inbound.thebruce06/14/13 11:35 am
                                                           Re: This question has been misframed.Quirel6/14/13 1:40 am
                                                                 Re: This question has been misframed.Avateur6/14/13 12:54 pm
                                         Well, vote with your wallet. :Pthebruce06/13/13 9:54 am
                                               Re: Well, vote with your wallet. :PLeisandir6/13/13 10:30 am
                                                     Re: Well, vote with your wallet. :PDHalo6/13/13 11:13 am
                                                           Re: Well, vote with your wallet. :PLeisandir6/13/13 12:50 pm
                                                                 Re: Well, vote with your wallet. :PDHalo6/13/13 2:46 pm
                                                                       Re: Well, vote with your wallet. :Pthebruce06/13/13 4:12 pm
                                                     Re: Well, vote with your wallet. :Pthebruce06/13/13 1:38 pm
                                                           Re: Well, vote with your wallet. :PLeviathan6/13/13 1:55 pm
                                                                 Re: Well, vote with your wallet. :Pthebruce06/13/13 2:28 pm
     Are you happy, John?SEspider6/12/13 11:09 pm
           Actually, a little bit. :3 *NM*Hyokin6/13/13 12:24 am
                 now you know why Cody does it *NM*padraig086/13/13 11:28 am

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