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Re: Holy Cow...
By:NotTheVacuum
Date: 6/22/13 3:05 pm
In Response To: Re: Holy Cow... (Cody Miller)

: Uh, Steam works fine in offline mode, and it has cloud saves and shared
: libraries and all that.

I'm not a Steam user - how does it work? If I share a game with you, can I play it at the same time? What if I share it with two people, and they both want to play at the same time?

I think the features could have lived on pretty easily without a daily check-in. If I were building it...

- If you buy a disc based game, there's no need to ever "dial home". There are offline authenticity checks, and they're reasonably difficult to circumvent. If people mod their consoles and copy discs, fine - I'll catch them if they come online.

- If you buy an on-demand title, there's no need to ever "dial home", just like above. Again, it's reasonably difficult to side-load a digital title, and easy to detect.

* I would still check your console when you connect to XBL - I want to protect everybody's experience, so I won't permit modders. Modded software or hardware = ban.

^^This is all current-gen stuff^^

- If you want to share a title with friends, it has to be a digital download. I wouldn't want to make my customer put in his physical copy to keep verifying that he still owns it, so I won't offer that feature (though maybe I could, and just limit it to two-week intervals of sharing; starting a new interval requires the disc be present). Only one person can play the title at a time, and the owner has priority. Friends who want to borrow it are handled FIFO.

- If you start playing a game that you're sharing, a notice is sent to XBL to prevent your friends from starting a session (maybe the title would show up as in-use when your friend goes to the "borrowed" section of his game library). I might even consider an "I want next" feature with a notification when the game is available.

- If your friend wants to play your game, XBL is updated to indicate the title is in use, so nobody but the owner can start playing. If he does, the borrower's session would either have a TTL and end at the next interval, or just persist until he quits. I don't see much harm in the latter.

Something like this would be reasonably simple to implement, would facilitate lending, would protect the owner's property, and would not require spurious check-ins (only those connected with actions performed online anyway).


Messages In This Thread

Microsoft to pull a 180 on Xbox One DRM *OT*UnrealCh13f6/19/13 4:55 pm
     Confirmed.UnrealCh13f6/19/13 4:58 pm
           Getting an Xbone now. *NM*Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316)6/19/13 5:09 pm
           DangKal6/19/13 5:13 pm
                 Re: DangiForge6/19/13 6:31 pm
                 Re: Danguberfoop6/19/13 7:16 pm
                       Re: DangKal6/19/13 8:13 pm
                             Re: DangChewbaccawakka6/19/13 8:48 pm
                                   Re: DangNsU Soldier6/20/13 12:23 am
     So disappointed *NM*nillapuddin6/19/13 5:41 pm
     Awesome and Bad at the same timeMacGyver106/19/13 5:45 pm
     This is good! / No, it's bad!davidfuchs6/19/13 5:52 pm
     Re: Microsoft to pull a 180 on Xbox One DRM *OT*Azo 'Galvat6/19/13 6:12 pm
           iLOL'dMid7night6/19/13 7:01 pm
     Re: Microsoft to pull a 180 on Xbox One DRM *OT*Document6/19/13 6:50 pm
           Nope. *NM*snakegriffin6/19/13 10:58 pm
     If some bitching on the internet was all it took..RC Master6/19/13 7:02 pm
           Re: If some bitching on the internet was all it toCody Miller6/19/13 7:15 pm
                 Re: If some bitching on the internet was all it toNotTheVacuum6/19/13 8:25 pm
                       Holy Cow...SEspider6/19/13 11:11 pm
                             Re: Holy Cow...thebruce06/20/13 10:44 am
                                   Re: Holy Cow...Cody Miller6/20/13 12:58 pm
                                         Re: Holy Cow...NotTheVacuum6/22/13 3:05 pm
                                               Re: Holy Cow...Gravemind6/22/13 4:45 pm
                       Re: If some bitching on the internet was all it toHyokin6/20/13 2:24 pm
                             Re: If some bitching on the internet was all it toNotTheVacuum6/21/13 8:18 pm
     HA! How's that crow taste, Donny?Gravemind6/19/13 7:16 pm
           Jim Sterling's take on this news.Gravemind6/19/13 8:00 pm
           Re: HA! How's that crow taste, Donny?Devil Mingy6/19/13 8:13 pm
                 Re: HA! How's that crow taste, Donny?Gravemind6/19/13 8:46 pm
           Re: HA! How's that crow taste, Donny?snakegriffin6/19/13 11:04 pm
           I'm short on cash, Jason. Can I borrow a $100? *NM*SEspider6/19/13 11:57 pm
     Now about that Kinect and price point...uberfoop6/19/13 7:23 pm
           Re: Now about that Kinect and price point...SEspider6/20/13 12:06 am
                 Re: Now about that Kinect and price point...Avateur6/20/13 12:18 am
                       HDTVs pick up glare as well. *NM*SEspider6/20/13 12:31 am
                             The point was your premise sucked *NM*Avateur6/20/13 12:33 am
                                   Can we dial down the douchebag? *NM*davidfuchs6/20/13 8:03 am
                                         Well, it sucked *NM*Avateur6/21/13 12:03 am
                                               Re: Well, it suckedGeneral Vagueness6/24/13 12:10 am
                 Yeah...Chewbaccawakka6/20/13 1:35 am
           Re: Now about that Kinect and price point...Quirel6/20/13 2:02 am
     Why not offline and online features.c0ld vengeance6/19/13 8:58 pm
           Sounds like the perfect compromise. *NM*Leviathan6/19/13 11:19 pm
           Re: Why not offline and online features.SEspider6/20/13 12:30 am
           That makes no business senseZackDark6/20/13 10:25 am
     Disappointed as wellserpx6/19/13 9:21 pm
           Re: Disappointed as welluberfoop6/19/13 9:37 pm
           Re: Disappointed as wellRC Master6/20/13 8:23 am
           Re: Disappointed as wellcheapLEY6/20/13 7:20 pm
                 Re: Disappointed as wellserpx6/20/13 11:33 pm
                       Re: Disappointed as wellZackDark6/20/13 11:45 pm
                             Re: Disappointed as welluberfoop6/20/13 11:51 pm
                                   Re: Disappointed as wellZackDark6/21/13 12:13 am
                                         Re: Disappointed as welluberfoop6/21/13 12:40 am
                                               Re: Disappointed as wellthebruce06/21/13 10:29 am
                                                     Re: Disappointed as wellcheapLEY6/21/13 11:04 am
                                                           Re: Disappointed as wellcheapLEY6/21/13 11:08 am
                                                                 Re: Disappointed as wellZackDark6/21/13 11:11 am
                                                                 Re: Disappointed as wellthebruce06/21/13 2:53 pm
                                         Re: Disappointed as wellRC Master6/21/13 6:03 am
                                         Re: Disappointed as wellCody Miller6/21/13 12:00 pm
                                               Re: Disappointed as wellZackDark6/21/13 12:08 pm
                                                     Re: Disappointed as welluberfoop6/21/13 3:05 pm
                                                     Re: Disappointed as wellGeneral Vagueness6/23/13 11:43 pm
                                                           No component (or composite) support, so yes.munky-0586/24/13 1:37 am
                                                                 Speaking of which...ZackDark6/24/13 2:53 am
                                                                       Appears to be "IR Out" (for talking to the TV?) *NM*kornman006/24/13 6:17 am
                                                                             What would "IR Out" be? *NM*ZackDark6/24/13 6:41 am
                                                                                   Infra-red Out *NM*thebruce06/24/13 10:08 am
                                                                                         Re: Infra-red OutNotTheVacuum6/24/13 11:36 am
                                                                                               Re: Infra-red Outthebruce06/24/13 4:13 pm
                                                                 It was only a matter of time :(Revenant19886/24/13 8:29 am
                                                                       Re: It was only a matter of time :(General Vagueness6/24/13 5:05 pm
                                                                             Re: It was only a matter of time :(NotTheVacuum6/24/13 6:52 pm
                                                                       Re: It was only a matter of time :(NotTheVacuum6/24/13 7:01 pm
     Still not worth my saleAvateur6/19/13 9:28 pm
     Schooly was...Schooly D6/19/13 9:31 pm
     Re: Too Little, too late.Hyokin6/20/13 3:18 am
     The plot thickens...padraig086/20/13 10:00 am

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