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: That said, I've noticed that opinions on Halsey seem to fall into two camps:
: Those who read the Halo books as they came out seem to think very highly
: of her and very poorly of anyone who goes after her (other characters like
: Palmer, authors like Karen Travis). At the same time, people who didn't
: read the books tend to think of Halsey as more of a monster than a savior.
: I'm decidedly in the latter camp.
: For me, it all comes down to the circumstances under which the Spartan
: program was created. At the time, there were no Covenant, no Halo rings.
: Human were fighting humans, with ignored colonists on one side and a
: galactic empire on the other. It's a story not unlike the American
: revolution.
: Given what we know about ONI and the outer colonies, I'm prepared to discount
: any stories we hear about Innie war crimes. They smack of UEG propaganda
: invented to ensure galactic dominiance.
: So why did Halsey go through with the Spartan program? It's almost
: explainable (but not excusable) if she believed in the cause. One could
: make an argument to justify her actions if she sincerely believed that the
: outer colonies were controlled by a hostile army looking to eradicate
: peaceful worlds, and the UEG was justified in using any means necessary to
: stop them.
: But Halsey's not an idiot. She doesn't strike me as a true believer.
: I have to conclude that she did all this -- kidnapping children, growing
: dozens of humans for the express purpose of having them die horrible and
: terrified deaths, human experimentation, deadly augmentation on children
: -- because she could. Because she had free reign and wanted to see what
: would happen.
: Halsey is no better than a Nazi doctor.
: Am I missing anything? Any key part of the story? Is there anything else from
: the pre-Covie days that puts Halsey's actions in a new light? Or is she
: really a horrible monster?
: Are there any Halsey defenders left? People who think her pre-Covie actions
: were justified, even moral?
Victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival. - Sir Winston Churchill, May 13, 1940
At all costs.
I don't think she is a saint, but she certainly isnt the monster 343 has begun depicting her as.
No, the children didn't volunteer. They certainly were not the first people to be conscripted into a war they wanted nothing to do with. However, the technologies available required the abilities of children to adapt over time to the changes.
75 lives to save millions, which turned into billions when the Covenant arrived.
Justified
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. - Charles Dickens, Tale of Two Cities
It is the greatest good to the greatest number of people which is the measure of right and wrong - philosopher Jeremy Bentham
Moral
Team Halsey | Kal | 6/5/15 9:51 am |
Re: Team Halsey | Harmanimus | 6/5/15 10:46 am |
Re: Team Halsey | asa | 6/5/15 12:12 pm |
Re: Team Halsey | Alexis | 6/9/15 5:53 am |
Re: Team Halsey | thebruce0 | 6/9/15 9:20 am |
Re: Team Halsey | davidfuchs | 6/9/15 12:54 pm |
Re: Team Halsey | Archilen | 6/9/15 1:44 pm |
The Carver Findings | Postmortem | 6/5/15 12:18 pm |
Re: The Carver Findings | Grizzlei | 6/5/15 1:11 pm |
Why not give peace a chance? | Kal | 6/5/15 2:09 pm |
Re: Why not give peace a chance? | Dielectric | 6/5/15 2:29 pm |
Re: Why not give peace a chance? | Grizzlei | 6/5/15 4:23 pm |
Re: Why not give peace a chance? | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 6/6/15 5:06 pm |
Re: The Carver Findings | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 6/6/15 5:08 pm |
Re: Team Halsey | Dielectric | 6/5/15 1:40 pm |
Re: Team Halsey | Kal | 6/5/15 2:11 pm |
Re: Team Halsey | padraig08 | 6/5/15 2:20 pm |
Re: Team Halsey | Kal | 6/5/15 2:31 pm |
Damn Tories! *NM* | Grizzlei | 6/5/15 4:24 pm |
Re: Team Halsey | Grizzlei | 6/5/15 4:50 pm |
Re: Team Halsey | Grizzlei | 6/5/15 4:41 pm |
Re: Team Halsey | Arithmomaniac | 6/6/15 11:51 pm |
Re: Team Halsey | zofinda | 6/7/15 9:39 am |
Re: Team Halsey | DHalo | 6/5/15 5:54 pm |
The Assembly | Harmanimus | 6/5/15 6:58 pm |
Re: The Assembly | General Vagueness | 6/5/15 7:24 pm |
Re: The Assembly | Grizzlei | 6/5/15 7:59 pm |
are they even canon anymore? | Bounce-A-Gon | 6/5/15 8:55 pm |
Re: are they even canon anymore? | Grizzlei | 6/5/15 9:11 pm |
Re: are they even canon anymore? | Bounce-A-Gon | 6/5/15 10:38 pm |
Re: are they even canon anymore? | Quirel | 6/6/15 12:06 am |
Re: are they even canon anymore? | zofinda | 6/7/15 9:10 am |
Re: are they even canon anymore? | Arithmomaniac | 6/6/15 11:56 pm |
Re: The Assembly | Arithmomaniac | 6/7/15 12:02 am |
Re: Team Halsey | General Vagueness | 6/5/15 7:10 pm |