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Re: You see, 343 is the new George Lucas...
By:thebruce0
Date: 5/6/15 2:10 pm
In Response To: Re: You see, 343 is the new George Lucas... (General Vagueness)

: You said there could be copies and you mentioned anything being possible with
: an AI (which I still don't like because it sounds like "a wizard did
: it"), that was about it.

Nope, mentioned others, but don't want to drag this on. Reread my posts if you want. And if you don't like it for whatever, that's fine :)

: Challenging hard in-universe facts without good reason seems...

"without good reason" is subjective. Can't argue against your opinion about the reasons.

: it seems like a good way to lead to internal inconsistency, like what bringing
: back Cortana would do.

I disagree. There's no established precedent to contradict her coming back. And, again, the content of the farewell scene is not admissable (to convince me, as explained).

: Anyway my point with that is that basing a story in a "fact of
: life" like that grounds it and humanizes it and gives it more weight.
: Wanting to help someone and not being able to is relatable. Having someone
: die and come back to life is not.

Again, subjective. The "fact of life" is that humans die. The Halo "fact of life" is that Smart AIs have always had a lifespan of approximately 7 years. The Halo "fact" is that Cortana is not a typical Smart AI. Whether that's relevant or not has yet to be determined, but explicit reference to this fact is an outstanding question. That's about as far as "the facts" go, as far as my understanding.

: No, they haven't. They came out and said (last year?) it's not a trilogy any
: more, it's a saga. I don't understand why you would take them at their
: word for the initial announcement ("we're making a trilogy") and
: not the later one ("we're making an undefined number of games that's
: larger than 3").

I did say in one comment that it's irrelevant to me whether or not it ends at 6. I did say I'm treating it as 6; if they make more, great. But that's so far ahead that I'm not, personally, giving it any weight just yet. We know (at least sufficiently for 'MO') that there will be 6. And for that reason amongst others, I still feel that killing off Cortana is not something they have done.

: Yes, that's exactly what I was debating. That was not at the center until
: either Halo 3 or Halo 4, and it wasn't the main focus until Halo 4.

-.- I'm not referring to merely the scenes or levels which have you directly interacting with Cortana. I'm referring to the fact that the relationship between the two characters has been around, has been a growing and ongoing, consistent plot strand throughout the entire numbered series. That, to me, makes it a central theme.

: What if there is nothing it ties back to? What if there's no good reason that
: already existed?

Oh well.

: I would think you would be the most concerned
: with the details and having things play nice together, rather than just
: saying "they'll justify bringing this character back, it'll be
: fine".

No, not merely that, it's how they write it, if they do. As I've said. I'm not going to judge and say there is no way they could do it right, without knowing what they've got up their sleeves. I'm merely recognizing that the possibility feasibly exists, apart from anyone's opinion on whether the possibility will be 'good' or 'bad'.

: Also, I wanted to clarify/expand on my comment from before, about Cortana
: saying there could be another AI, another Halsey-based AI, even another
: "Cortana model"-- I think if we see something like Cortana
: again, it'll be that, because it fits what was established and it was even
: called out by a character. That's (a small part of) why I don't think
: she'll be coming back. I was wondering why you think they won't go that
: route and will go the more troublesome route of bringing back the original
: Cortana.

If they do, then I'll be interested in how they do it. I never said anything else can't happen, only that I think they're leaning towards a different outcome than that. If I'm wrong, that's just fine; I'll be happy if they do the story justice, and if I like the story they tell and how.
Some people however just seem to be already dead-set to hating on the possibility of Cortana returning in any form. That, I can't grok. But hey all power to them. Ain't gonna ruin my day :)


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                                         How will they fit all that onto the box I wonder. *NM*Apollo4/28/15 11:51 pm
                                               Re: How will they fit all that onto the box I wondGeneral Vagueness4/29/15 1:24 am
                                               I think this is the actual box art.Gravemind4/29/15 1:59 am
                                   You see, 343 is the new George Lucas...munky-0584/29/15 3:22 am
                                         Re: You see, 343 is the new George Lucas...hunt3r4/29/15 5:04 am
                                               Re: You see, 343 is the new George Lucas...thebruce04/29/15 10:43 am
                                                     Re: You see, 343 is the new George Lucas...General Vagueness4/29/15 1:38 pm
                                                           Re: You see, 343 is the new George Lucas...thebruce04/29/15 2:08 pm
                                                                 Re: You see, 343 is the new George Lucas...General Vagueness4/30/15 3:26 pm
                                                                       +1 *NM*Quirel4/30/15 4:34 pm
                                                                       Re: You see, 343 is the new George Lucas...thebruce04/30/15 8:17 pm
                                                                             Re: You see, 343 is the new George Lucas...General Vagueness4/30/15 10:11 pm
                                                                                   +1 again. *NM*Quirel5/1/15 3:52 pm
                                                                                   Re: You see, 343 is the new George Lucas...thebruce05/4/15 11:12 am
                                                                                         Re: You see, 343 is the new George Lucas...General Vagueness5/4/15 1:26 pm
                                                                                               Kill this thread. kill it dead. i am tired of it *NM*Bounce-A-Gon5/4/15 3:02 pm
                                                                                                     Re: How wude! *NM*thebruce05/4/15 3:21 pm
                                                                                                     Re: Yeah. Seriously. *NM*Hyokin5/5/15 2:58 pm
                                                                                                     I want to see how far this goes.Quirel5/5/15 3:35 pm
                                                                                                           Re: I want to see how far this goes.thebruce05/5/15 3:46 pm
                                                                                                                 Re: I want to see how far this goes.Hyokin5/5/15 4:47 pm
                                                                                                           Re: I want to see how far this goes.General Vagueness5/6/15 2:24 am
                                                                                               Re: You see, 343 is the new George Lucas...thebruce05/4/15 3:20 pm
                                                                                                     rolls eyes and sighs heavily *NM*Bounce-A-Gon5/4/15 3:35 pm
                                                                                                           Re: Ok. *NM*thebruce05/4/15 4:52 pm
                                                                                                     Re: You see, 343 is the new George Lucas...General Vagueness5/5/15 2:35 pm
                                                                                                           Re: You see, 343 is the new George Lucas...thebruce05/5/15 3:31 pm
                                                                                                                 Re: You see, 343 is the new George Lucas...General Vagueness5/6/15 2:19 am
                                                                                                                       Re: You see, 343 is the new George Lucas...thebruce05/6/15 10:56 am
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                                                                             Re: You see, 343 is the new George Lucas... *IMGs*Grizzlei5/4/15 12:15 pm
                                               Re: You see, 343 is the new George Lucas...Cody Miller4/29/15 10:59 pm
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                                         an aging jaded fanbase *NM*Bounce-A-Gon4/29/15 5:16 am
                                               Re: an aging jaded fanbasemunky-0584/29/15 6:50 am
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                                                           Re: ehhhhhhhhhhCody Miller4/30/15 2:42 pm
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                                         Wow.Quirel4/30/15 3:55 pm
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