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Re: Nearly sold myself short!
By:Grizzlei
Date: 3/24/14 11:36 pm
In Response To: Re: Nearly sold myself short! (Quirel)

: Would "Gender identity" be an acceptable shorthand term?

Gender or gender identity is perfectly okie dokes, yeah.

: XXY?

I don't have Klinefelter syndrome, but I was instead referring to research conducted on transgender women which found that our testosterone is modified and reduced in the fetus with definite impact on our brain development.

: Mr. Correia couldn't care less about the proper terms for gender issues. He's
: pissed off at the subset of science fiction fandom who insist that science
: fiction must serve a cause. Ask him about clips versus magazines or what
: exactly an assault rifle is, and he could probably talk your head off.

In many cases, yes, it is pure semantics, but in many cases, like referring to the terms of gender identity, it is cause for serious concern.

With your example of the difference between a clip and a magazine, that difference matters when you want to legitimize your setting. A rifle instructor at boot camp isn't going to refer to a M16's magazine as a "clip" because it is the wrong terminology both in theory and in practice, considering the recruits are assumed to have no knowledge of weaponry. When you get out onto the battlefield in the heat of a firefight, two infantry troops will typically know what you want regardless if you ask for a clip or magazine.

The particular situation matters and the author fails to understand that. Hell, he doesn't WANT to understand it.

: Yes, I know that one. Would have had a problem with 'gendernormative' for the
: five seconds it took me to open up Dictionary.com.

: Now, would you kindly explain to me why someone would use "Cismale"
: as an insult? It's like calling someone a "Transwoman" or
: "Black male". Not all that insulting.

With most trans people and their allies I've encountered, "cis male/woman" has never been used as an insult or slur. However, the pure and innocently scientific use of cisgender, cis, and other forms has been met with criticism by cis people who are offended that they're being labeled, all the while maintaining the same difference for trans people and insisting we're anything but normal.

Following people insisting that trans be made unequal, "transwoman" is often noted alongside the generalized "women", however, referring solely to cisgender women. It can be used as an insult in this context, as well as when cis people remark with such things like "he/she looks like a tranny." This is typically reserved to equate a woman's appearance with the harmful and highly stereotyped image many people have of transgender women.


Messages In This Thread

Halo and the Bechdel TestCody Miller3/22/14 5:26 pm
     Re: Halo and the Bechdel TestCody Miller3/22/14 5:27 pm
           Auntie Dot too, but no interaction either *NM*ZackDark3/22/14 5:49 pm
                 Re: Auntie Dot too, but no interaction eitherCody Miller3/22/14 6:05 pm
                       Re: Auntie Dot too, but no interaction eitheGrizzlei3/22/14 10:32 pm
                             Re: Auntie Dot too, but no interaction eitheNartFOpc3/23/14 3:08 am
           Re: Halo and the Bechdel Testbreitzen3/22/14 6:17 pm
                 Re: Halo and the Bechdel TestCody Miller3/22/14 6:27 pm
                       Re: Halo and the Bechdel Testbreitzen3/22/14 7:22 pm
                       Re: Halo and the Bechdel TestLeviathan3/22/14 9:01 pm
     Re: Halo and the Bechdel TestStephen L. (SoundEffect)3/22/14 5:52 pm
     Halo 4 *SP*Grizzlei3/22/14 7:52 pm
           Nearly sold myself short!Grizzlei3/22/14 7:57 pm
                 Re: Nearly sold myself short!RC Master3/22/14 8:59 pm
                       Re: Nearly sold myself short!Grizzlei3/22/14 9:13 pm
                             Re: Nearly sold myself short!ckamp3/25/14 2:48 am
                 Re: Nearly sold myself short!Quirel3/23/14 12:32 am
                       Re: Nearly sold myself short!Grizzlei3/24/14 12:34 am
                             Re: Nearly sold myself short!Schooly D3/24/14 1:21 pm
                                   Re: Nearly sold myself short!Grizzlei3/24/14 2:42 pm
                             Re: Nearly sold myself short!Quirel3/24/14 3:22 pm
                                   Re: Nearly sold myself short!Grizzlei3/24/14 11:36 pm
                                         Re: Nearly sold myself short!Quirel3/25/14 2:03 am
           Re: Halo 4 *SP*Cody Miller3/22/14 8:02 pm
                 Re: Halo 4 *SP*Grizzlei3/22/14 8:09 pm
                       Re: Halo 4 *SP*Cody Miller3/22/14 8:27 pm
                             Re: Halo 4 *SP*Grizzlei3/22/14 8:33 pm
                             What happened to "it"? *NM*ZackDark3/22/14 10:27 pm
                                   Re: What happened to "it"?Grizzlei3/22/14 10:51 pm
                                         Re: What happened to "it"?uberfoop3/23/14 1:14 am
                                               Re: What happened to "it"?ZackDark3/23/14 5:30 pm
                                                     Re: What happened to "it"?uberfoop3/23/14 8:28 pm
                                                           Re: What happened to "it"?NartFOpc3/23/14 8:41 pm
                                                                 Re: What happened to "it"?uberfoop3/23/14 8:46 pm
                                                                       Or more seriously...uberfoop3/23/14 8:50 pm
                 Re: Halo 4 *SP*uberfoop3/22/14 8:19 pm
                       Re: Halo 4 *SP*Leviathan3/22/14 8:59 pm
                             Re: Halo 4 *SP*Grizzlei3/22/14 9:17 pm
                                   Re: Halo 4 *SP*Leviathan3/22/14 10:55 pm
                             Re: Halo 4 *SP*RC Master3/22/14 9:33 pm
                                   Re: Halo 4 *SP*Leviathan3/22/14 10:58 pm
                                         WHOA WHOA WHOAuberfoop3/23/14 12:59 am
                                               Re: WHOA WHOA WHOALeviathan3/23/14 9:30 am
                                   Re: Halo 4 *SP*ckamp3/25/14 3:14 am
           Halo WarsGrizzlei3/22/14 8:07 pm
           Re: Halo 4 *SP*kanbo3/22/14 10:13 pm
                 Re: Halo 4 *SP*Grizzlei3/22/14 10:18 pm
     Re: Halo and the Bechdel TestQuirel3/22/14 10:29 pm
     Re: Halo and the Bechdel TestRagashingo3/22/14 11:48 pm
     Sadie and the Cronescarab3/23/14 3:23 pm
           Good catch! *NM*Quirel3/23/14 3:44 pm
           That's pretty one-sided, IMO. Both parts. *NM*ZackDark3/23/14 5:34 pm

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