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Re: What happened to "it"?
By:uberfoop
Date: 3/23/14 1:14 am
In Response To: Re: What happened to "it"? (Grizzlei)

Yep. In English, "it" usually has very specifically non-person connotations. Using "it" to refer to other species of animal isn't a big deal*, but you can't really use the word when directly referencing humans. This is the reason that people jump to using the plural "they"; it's a word that can reference human or non-human, so even though it's in some ways structurally less fitting, it feels more correct and polite.

The English language is pretty funky; it's sketchy but efficient, with some things very loose and some things locked down hard. The pronoun system is very much natively matched to a society using binary gender terminology, and that's something that our society is currently trying to figure out. Languages do tend to change as their use needs change.
Adoption of non-gendered pronouns to gendered may be what ultimately happens, though the question of "it" and "they" is very interesting. Structurally, English would maybe be better off if we found a good general-purpose non-gendered singular term for people. But "it" might never be in a position to migrate to that usage. I do have to wonder if "they" is actually too ambiguous, considering the usage differences. Things are changing fast enough that we will get to watch a lot of this play out over our lifetimes.

[/meanderingness]

*Maybe your cat disagrees. But it probably disagrees with everything, so whatever.


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Halo and the Bechdel TestCody Miller3/22/14 5:26 pm
     Re: Halo and the Bechdel TestCody Miller3/22/14 5:27 pm
           Auntie Dot too, but no interaction either *NM*ZackDark3/22/14 5:49 pm
                 Re: Auntie Dot too, but no interaction eitherCody Miller3/22/14 6:05 pm
                       Re: Auntie Dot too, but no interaction eitheGrizzlei3/22/14 10:32 pm
                             Re: Auntie Dot too, but no interaction eitheNartFOpc3/23/14 3:08 am
           Re: Halo and the Bechdel Testbreitzen3/22/14 6:17 pm
                 Re: Halo and the Bechdel TestCody Miller3/22/14 6:27 pm
                       Re: Halo and the Bechdel Testbreitzen3/22/14 7:22 pm
                       Re: Halo and the Bechdel TestLeviathan3/22/14 9:01 pm
     Re: Halo and the Bechdel TestStephen L. (SoundEffect)3/22/14 5:52 pm
     Halo 4 *SP*Grizzlei3/22/14 7:52 pm
           Nearly sold myself short!Grizzlei3/22/14 7:57 pm
                 Re: Nearly sold myself short!RC Master3/22/14 8:59 pm
                       Re: Nearly sold myself short!Grizzlei3/22/14 9:13 pm
                             Re: Nearly sold myself short!ckamp3/25/14 2:48 am
                 Re: Nearly sold myself short!Quirel3/23/14 12:32 am
                       Re: Nearly sold myself short!Grizzlei3/24/14 12:34 am
                             Re: Nearly sold myself short!Schooly D3/24/14 1:21 pm
                                   Re: Nearly sold myself short!Grizzlei3/24/14 2:42 pm
                             Re: Nearly sold myself short!Quirel3/24/14 3:22 pm
                                   Re: Nearly sold myself short!Grizzlei3/24/14 11:36 pm
                                         Re: Nearly sold myself short!Quirel3/25/14 2:03 am
           Re: Halo 4 *SP*Cody Miller3/22/14 8:02 pm
                 Re: Halo 4 *SP*Grizzlei3/22/14 8:09 pm
                       Re: Halo 4 *SP*Cody Miller3/22/14 8:27 pm
                             Re: Halo 4 *SP*Grizzlei3/22/14 8:33 pm
                             What happened to "it"? *NM*ZackDark3/22/14 10:27 pm
                                   Re: What happened to "it"?Grizzlei3/22/14 10:51 pm
                                         Re: What happened to "it"?uberfoop3/23/14 1:14 am
                                               Re: What happened to "it"?ZackDark3/23/14 5:30 pm
                                                     Re: What happened to "it"?uberfoop3/23/14 8:28 pm
                                                           Re: What happened to "it"?NartFOpc3/23/14 8:41 pm
                                                                 Re: What happened to "it"?uberfoop3/23/14 8:46 pm
                                                                       Or more seriously...uberfoop3/23/14 8:50 pm
                 Re: Halo 4 *SP*uberfoop3/22/14 8:19 pm
                       Re: Halo 4 *SP*Leviathan3/22/14 8:59 pm
                             Re: Halo 4 *SP*Grizzlei3/22/14 9:17 pm
                                   Re: Halo 4 *SP*Leviathan3/22/14 10:55 pm
                             Re: Halo 4 *SP*RC Master3/22/14 9:33 pm
                                   Re: Halo 4 *SP*Leviathan3/22/14 10:58 pm
                                         WHOA WHOA WHOAuberfoop3/23/14 12:59 am
                                               Re: WHOA WHOA WHOALeviathan3/23/14 9:30 am
                                   Re: Halo 4 *SP*ckamp3/25/14 3:14 am
           Halo WarsGrizzlei3/22/14 8:07 pm
           Re: Halo 4 *SP*kanbo3/22/14 10:13 pm
                 Re: Halo 4 *SP*Grizzlei3/22/14 10:18 pm
     Re: Halo and the Bechdel TestQuirel3/22/14 10:29 pm
     Re: Halo and the Bechdel TestRagashingo3/22/14 11:48 pm
     Sadie and the Cronescarab3/23/14 3:23 pm
           Good catch! *NM*Quirel3/23/14 3:44 pm
           That's pretty one-sided, IMO. Both parts. *NM*ZackDark3/23/14 5:34 pm

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