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Re: The old big one.

Posted By: Welly (cache-mtc-ab03.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 7/25/2002 at 10:44 p.m.

In Response To: Re: The old big one. (Forrest of B.org)

: That is correct. How else did SB build his army so fast?
: Balor took how long to build up his army of the dead
: for march on Muirthemne? We know he was out
: campaigning at least 300 years before, recruiting the
: Myrmidons. Balor's army took for-freaking-EVER to
: attack.

Yes, he took his time.

: SB shows up gathering bodies in small outskirt towns, and
: a few weeks (months?) later we've got countless hordes
: of hundred of undead marching on the cities of the
: Light. You think SB personally spent all that time
: going around reanimating all those corpses himself?

It does seem unlikely, but if all his agents had them sent to one spot, he could have mass-created tens of thousands of undead from this hypothetical common pile, right? I don't suppose all that mass-creating would have taken more than a day for someone who invented Soulless. Also Shiver could have helped, doing the undead magics on a second huge repository of corpses.

: Because any of the little peons all on their own wouldn't
: stand a chance against Soulblighter. He could have
: singlehandedly hacked his way through all the Baron's
: defenses and cut the guy's head off.

Hehe that's true.

: But ALL of those little armies put together under
: Soulblighter and Shiver were powerfull enough to
: utterly crush the Light.

: It's not an incredibly powerful spell, to make a corpse
: shamble around under your command. It's practically
: just telekinesis. But it's really really useful if
: you've got a lot of corpses to make shamble.

: And it's not just Jack and Jill, it's less powerful,
: everyday run-of-the-mill mages. The Baron obviously
: had some magical abilities, because he animated the
: Stygian Knights with his own soul (that's why they
: collapse when you kill them).

Ah yes I have always believed that that quote about SB making the Stygs wasn't 100% right, too. The Baron can make them, and so can the Light (there were Stygs in the catacombs beneath Muirthemne, too).

: Besides, someone already brought up the point that it
: couldn't REALLY be Balor's greatest secret, as there
: are lots of other secrets of his that are still
: secret. So maybe necromancy is just his most useful
: secret... why else make Thrall? It's a cheap easy
: spell, but you can create HUGE armies out of it. Same
: reason you buy all those 1-point Thrall in a net game;
: yeah they suck, but you can afford to get a ton of
: them.

I still disagree, imo that quote about Balor's greatest secret being the reanimation of corpses is pretty straightforward.

: Mb. Mb nut.

Mb :)

: They never mention food-creation spells, basic
: telekenisis, weather control, construction magics
: (like how they could build those huge castles at their
: tech level), etc, either. Most of the less flash stuff
: of the Myth world is never heard of. Only the big
: things. "OMG I saw a Fallen Lord she threw a big
: white ball of energy and it levelled a castle!" -
: when you're seeing stuff like this, you're not going
: to mention everyday events like "So this morning
: the magically replicated fried eggs were done
: sunny-side down instead of up, and so..."

They had food spells? Feeding armies even in Myth's world is something I believe can be accomplished without magic imo.
But the weather magic you mentioned is pretty much a fantasy staple. Even if it wasn't mentioned that Bahl'al used the wind to spur his Thrall, I would still assume that kind of magic existed. Like Stormbringer :)
The buildings they had I think can be explained without magic despite their seemingly low-tech level. Money. The Baron inherited lots of money, and I can imagine that a guy with his own fiefdom can afford the best of the best engineers. But I agree with you when it comes to Balor's huge fortress. Unless that was built by the slaves of the Trow, which can explain its creation without magic involved.

-Welly

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