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Re: what do you think she did?
By:davidfuchs
Date: 9/11/16 10:32 am
In Response To: what do you think she did? *NM* (scarab)

What she says. She planted seeds to lead to the eventuality of individuals like Chief with an AI like Cortana.

But she's not Space God (although she acts like one, which I hope they address a bit more at some point.) What she's talking about is a nudge, not mind control. Ancient humanity had power armor and advanced AI, so it doesn't seem a stretch to think we'd eventually get there independently again.

I think a lot of confusion about this stuff comes from a fundamental confusion over what universe people think Halo is. What makes Greg Bear's books so great to me is they feel weird and alien and un-Halo; thematically they reinforce the idea of the Forerunners being this powerful race that isn't like us (but also is, with their tragic downfall.) But 343, wisely, has shown zero interest in trying to create that atmosphere in the present day. It wouldn't work. "Modern" Halo is a military sci-fi universe, and you can stretch it in different ways (add a dash more Star Trek, incorporate film noir elements, etc.) but it couldn't shift to a more high sci-fi or fantasy blend like a Frank Herbert world without feeling really off.

And that's why the complaints of "Chief is being controlled by a geas! He's actually going to be Lord of Admirals!" etc. Don't make sense. For one, those geas we see were specifically implanted at birth by the Librarian. She doesn't have that control now. The best she could do was try and stack the deck as much as possible so that humanity would develop the tech she felt was necessary to reclaim the Forerunner legacy. And 343 has shown absolutely no interest in bringing that sort of stuff to the fore of the Halo games, for good reason.

The "Reclaimer" cutscene is pretty pivotal, and I agree that it ultimately doesn't hold up in doing what it needs to. (It probably would have been better with some of the original cut lines that models found in the game files, although I don't think it would still have been clear enough to avoid confusion.) But she was never saying that she is humanity's puppet master.


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ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesSIX min WHISTLE9/5/16 3:02 pm
     Funny how they glossed over Reach *NM*The BS Police9/5/16 3:56 pm
           Re: Funny how they glossed over Reachuberfoop9/5/16 3:59 pm
                 Did you know that it was made by waver birds? *NM*scarab9/6/16 8:59 am
                       weaver DOH! *NM*scarab9/6/16 9:00 am
                 Re: Funny how they glossed over Reachstabbim9/8/16 9:53 am
                       *blast from the past*davidfuchs9/9/16 11:33 am
           Re: Funny how they glassed over ReachUrban Reflex9/7/16 2:09 am
     Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesDHalo9/5/16 11:27 pm
           Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesMacGyver109/6/16 11:18 am
           Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesGravemind9/6/16 2:13 pm
                 Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesDHalo9/6/16 5:27 pm
                       Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesGravemind9/6/16 5:33 pm
                             Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesDHalo9/6/16 6:12 pm
                                   Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesGrimBrother One9/7/16 8:11 pm
                                         Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesQuirel9/8/16 2:51 am
                                         Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesMacGyver109/8/16 12:01 pm
                                               Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesDHalo9/9/16 6:16 pm
                                               Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesQuirel9/11/16 4:27 pm
                                                     Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 Industriesdavidfuchs9/12/16 9:17 am
                                               Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesGravemind9/12/16 9:58 am
                 Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesMacGyver109/6/16 6:30 pm
                       Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesGravemind9/6/16 7:32 pm
                             Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesTuckerscreator9/6/16 9:25 pm
                                   Microtransactions rant. *long*Gravemind9/7/16 2:00 am
                                         Re: WhalesTuckerscreator9/7/16 3:51 pm
                 Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesThe BS Police9/7/16 2:50 am
                       A quick correctionThe BS Police9/7/16 2:53 am
                       Not mutually exclusive. *NM*Quirel9/7/16 3:04 am
                       Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesSchedonnardus9/7/16 10:28 am
                             Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesDHalo9/7/16 12:41 pm
                             Talking of Precursors and sins of the father...scarab9/7/16 2:17 pm
                                   Re: Talking of Precursors and sins of the father..Quirel9/8/16 2:57 am
                                         Re: Talking of Precursors and sins of the father..davidfuchs9/9/16 11:37 am
                                               what do you think she did? *NM*scarab9/9/16 3:37 pm
                                                     Re: what do you think she did?davidfuchs9/11/16 10:32 am
                                                           so you think 343's canon isn't consistent?scarab9/12/16 5:34 am
                                                                 Re: so you think 343's canon isn't consistent?davidfuchs9/12/16 9:15 am
                                                                       That's a contradictionscarab9/12/16 9:40 am
                                                                             Re: That's a contradictiondavidfuchs9/12/16 9:57 am
                             Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 Industriesthebruce09/7/16 2:23 pm
                       Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesGravemind9/7/16 11:36 am
                             Re: ex-Bungie compared to 343 IndustriesDHalo9/7/16 12:51 pm
                                   "You ARE Gorilla" said Sparkyscarab9/7/16 1:54 pm
                                         Re: "You ARE Gorilla" said SparkyThe BS Police9/7/16 2:13 pm
                                               Re: "You ARE Gorilla" said Sparkyscarab9/7/16 2:25 pm
                                                     Re: "You ARE Gorilla" said SparkyDHalo9/7/16 3:48 pm
                                                           Re: "You ARE Gorilla" said Sparkyscarab9/7/16 5:32 pm
                                                                 Re: "You ARE Gorilla" said Sparkythebruce09/8/16 9:35 am

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