: So, I cannot draw final conclusions from someone else's summary. Even the
: countering summary. I have no way of verifying any of it. Maybe Steve
: Downes was maneuvered into to saying something resulting in inappropriate
: conclusions. Maybe the picture of Steve's retraction is a shop. I need
: more information and confirmation.

You remind me of that episode from Chappelle's Show where he wanted a video, a couple of Dave's friends, two forms of visible ID, and R. Kelly's grandma witnessing in order to believe that R. Kelly was a pisser.