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Re: Time to talk about the Head again!

Posted By: Longshadow (clt88-178-039.carolina.rr.com)
Date: 2/21/2001 at 3:53 p.m.

In Response To: Time to talk about the Head again! (SiliconDream =PN=)


: It reveals that the Dark has learned how to use the World
: Knots, and has a part of the Legion sent to destroy
: one Knot. Now this is a setback to the Dark in
: general, but probably affects the Deceiver less than
: other Fallen Lords, since he can teleport unaided.
: Also, since The Deceiver's armies are trying to cross
: the Cloudspine on foot at this time, it's likely that
: it's another Fallen Lord who plans to send forces
: through the Knot. Finally, the soldiers who have to go
: and destroy the Knot are--as the narrator explains in
: his journal--therefore unable to meet up with the main
: army which is marching to block The Deceiver's
: advance. So tipping off the Light about the Knots
: means that they can't give The Deceiver their
: undivided attention.

From intro to Force Ten From Stoneheim:

"We learned there that by coincidence the combined armies of the North are only four days behind us, heading for the mountains to stop The Deceiver, another of The Fallen Lords, from crossing the Cloudspine before winter."

If the combined armys of the North are heading to block the passes anyway, what difference does the garrison of one city make to the Deceiver? It surely would not have made a difference in the end. But if one of the Fallen Lords came in behind the forces blocking the passes it could only help Myrdred in the long run. Unless Myrdred was fulfilling some personal vendetta against one of his allies, why ruin his advance and create a stalemate over the winter?

: It has Alric sent across the mountains, where--surprise,
: surprise--he's promptly captured by The Deceiver. Once
: Myrdred's turned Alric over to Balor and gotten his
: props, it probably (this is is a suspicion of the
: narrator) informs The Nine so that a rescue attempt
: can be made.

Why give Alric back once he had him? Myrdred would be the one blamed for his rescue, considering it was his army guarding him at the time, and he would face the wrath of Balor. That wouldn't be a very intelligent thing for him to do. And why give his enemy their most important general back? It is only making his adversaries more powerful after severely crippling them by capturing Alric.

: It probably (the narrator doesn't know how they figured
: it out) tells The Nine about The Watcher's arm. The
: Deceiver has been digging for the arm for months now,
: and when the Light forces get there, they find the arm
: conveniently sitting on the ground. As soon as they go
: for it, The Deceiver starts attacking and tries to get
: it back. It's hard not to suspect that Myrdred just
: needed to be able to blame the arm's reappearance on
: the Light, so that the rest of the Fallen wouldn't
: realize he was working toward Bahl'al's demise yet
: again.

But the Watcher obviously found out the Deceiver was digging around for his arm. Why else would he attack Myrdred's army at Seven Gates? I would think Myrdred would have a much more elaborate ambush set up if he had been expecting the Light to come strolling into Silvermines looking for the arm. And as I've said before, the arm was placed in the open probably more for gameplay issues then for the storyline. =)

: It claims to be an Avatara of Connacht's time, and a
: close friend or ally of Connacht. This is, so far as
: we know, exactly what Myrdred was. If The Head's
: relaying info from Myrdred, it'd make sense for it to
: validate that info by borrowing an edited version of
: Myrdred's life story.

The Head was also known to lie more often then reveal the entire truth. =)
On more then one occasion the Head is described as: "The Head of one of Balor's old enemies" by the narrator. Bungie probably slipped on these occasions giving a fact instead of a generalization, but I could be wrong about that. If Myrdred was an avatara of Connacht, he was probably one of Connacht's closest allies or even friend. Why would he have anything against Balor then? "Old enemy" was probably the Leveler of Connacht's time, which we know is Moagim reborn.

Other then those, some good connections are made. I am still not convinced, even with Forrests post. I still assume that Bungie originally intended the head to be the past Leveler, Moagim. There are many direct facts indicating this. If you can prove me wrong otherwise, using non-GURPs references, then go for it.

~Longshadow

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