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Re: Strong support for the Head = Moagim theory

Posted By: Forrest (cache3.avtel.net)
Date: 11/8/1999 at 10:47 a.m.

In Response To: Strong support for the Head = Moagim theory (Ares)

: I've noticed that it seems like the only way to kill the
: Leveler is to cut off his head. Look: 2nd Era Leveler:
: Beheaded

: 3rd Era Leveler: Drawn and Quartered (which almost always
: involves removal of the head. Anyone seen Braveheart?
: =)

I don't think it's actually very common. Being drawn and quartered means having each of one's limbs tied to a horse, and then smacking the horses to make them run in all different directions, tearing the person into four parts (hence "quartered"). And I would think that the person would usually be alive (hence, with his head) when this is happening, because it's a method of execution, so why quarter someone if they're already dead?

(I dunno why they beheaded him first in Braveheart).

: 4th Era Leveler: Body destroyed by fire. Yeah, his body
: was - mb the head didnt burn. This is the weakest
: evidence but the head could still have been seperated
: - it fits

Yes, it is very weak evidence.

: Moagim: Beheaded (see below)

Circular logic. You're assuming Moagim was beheaded because he's the Head, and you're assuming the Head was Moagim because he was beheaded.

: Balor: Beheaded

True.

: Now, given that the general formula for killing the
: leveler is

: a) Trick him

Do we know any of the others were tricked? All we know for sure was that *Balor* was tricked - we just know how the others were executed.

: b) Behead him

Possibly.

: c) Try to get rid of the still-living head

See (b).

: we can assume that a mysterious *still-living* head
: buried under thousands of tons of sand and rock (why?
: DING DING DING DING! To get rid of it!) way out there
: in the Barrier under what used to be Muirthemne
: (perhaps the term "buried under tons of sand and
: rock" could even mean that it's way down in the
: catacombs themselves) is in fact a former Leverer.

: (because [a] it was tricked

We don't know this. All we know about the Head is that he claims to have been a former lieutenant of Connacht (the biggest monkey-wrench in your theory)

: [b] it was obviously
: beheaded

Obviously :)

: [c] it's still living and was gotten rid of)

Was it gotten rid of? It may have just been lying around in Muirthemne when the Empire was blighted, and got buried under sand and rock in the process. All we know is that somehow, it ended up buried under a bunch of sand and rock out by Muirthene.

: And given that Balor / Connacht defeated Moagim, and
: the Head seems to be an old enemy of Connacht, the
: only logical conclusion is that the Head is Moagim.

: Anyone care to offer a rebuttul?

My main rebuttal, aside from the weakness of the every-Leveller-is-beheaded theory, is that if you're going to take the Head's word that he was an old enemy of Balor (not Connacht, Balor - they're the same person, but not), you should take his word that he was a lieutenant of Connacht too.

The only way I can reconcile this is that either the Head is an ally of the Light (working with Connacht against Moagim, and with Alric against Balor), or that the Head is some sort of balance-keeper. Which leads me to another possible theory.

As I stated recently in another thread, I noticed that Nyx seems to be the creator of the Myth world. He made the Trow, and presumably all sorts of other races, maybe even the world itself. The Leveller, obviously, is the destroyer, who tears everything down seeking only chaos and destruction. And Wyrd seems to be the good god, who good people worship and who presumably does some good things to deserve their worship, such as rebuild, maybe? Granting good crops and weather and miracles and such.

Now, compare this to the primary Hindu deities. Brahma, like Nyx, created everything. Siva, like the Leveller, destroys things. And Vishnu, like Wyrd, rebuilds things.

Now, is the Head the Leveller? Ares thinks he's an ex-Leveller, but I doubt anyone thinks he is the Leveller incarnate. Is he Wyrd? Possibly, as his actions (as I've detailed many times before) lead to the destruction of the Leveller, but also cause quite a bit of trouble for the Light.

So, my big question is, what is Brahma supposed to be doing nowadays? I don't know for sure, but if I were the cycle-creator, I would be making sure all the cycles went smoothly.

So what if the Head is Nyx? Meddling with affairs every thousand years, making sure the Leveller is killed and the Dark is driven from the land, but that the Light takes quite a beating each time as well. It would also explain why the Head seems to know something about everything, being the creator of all. Maybe he even wrote the Codex. It would explain his ability (if it was really a magical act, which I'm doubtfull of) to invoke a civil war with the Light.

And he could have been an old ally of Connacht, helping him defeat Moagim, but when Connacht became Balor, he was beheaded and buried, only to resurface half a millenia later. And how did the Nine know about the Head? Maybe, like the Tain, he has the ability to call soundlessly to people across vast distances.

Whatcha think?

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