: The Lurker is a she, yes know I remember, just I wasn't
: thinking when I was typing I guess. But was that the
: name in the Eidos pre-release info pages? Or did they
: have Bonesplitter instead?
Prerelease's three unknown were The Voiceless One, Bonesplitter and The Faceless Man. Voiceless One is Shiver, and The Lurker (from GURPS), being female, isn't the Faceless MAN, so...
: Also, I think Rabican only semi-killed Shiver in that
: famous dream duel. Sure he blasted her body, but her
: soul went instead to the "ether" which
: clearly is not the Myth afterlife, called the
: "One Dream." Which is why Soulblighter was
: able to bring her back, cuz she wasn't 100% dead. What
: Sublighter did to her was totally different than what
: he does to Thrall: he RESTORED her, but for Undead, he
: Creates then from scratch with the Dream of Unlife and
: puts it in a body. Clearly Shiver's body is not
: exactly "alive" like normal people are, but
: it isn't Undead either, because her mind is there, not
: some Dark aniamtion magic like in Thrall, Wights,
: Ghasts, those Skeletons from Chimera, etc.
: But then how do Myrmidons have their minds, you might
: ask? Aren't they Undead? No if you ask me. They were
: Still Alive when Balor gave them some kind of
: immortality dream, but to their dismay, the
: immortality was for the soul to stay in the body
: forever, not to prevent aging! Which is why they are
: decaying. Shows us thatno deal with the Dark ever
: comes out to what we think is to our advantage. Myrms
: lost all they held dear: their appearance, cuz they
: were friggin vain in the membrane.
Why does nobody seem to grasp the way undeath works? There are no known instances of PUTTING A SOUL INTO A BODY. Most Undead are bodies that are magically animated by their masters. Myrmidons and Shades are Undead that are sell-willed and self-powered. Shiver is not undead; her soul was ripped out of her body, and Soulblighter later made that SOUL ITSELF corporeal! The Shiver we see in M2 is not her undead body, or her soul put in someone else's body, or anything like that; IT IS HER SOUL, made corporeal!
"...her spirit disconnected from her body, set adrift on the ether... gathered up by Soulblighter and... made corporeal with the terrible power of Tramist's Mirror."
Do people just not get what corporeal means? It means physical, real, material, not just a spirit-thing on the ether, but a hard object which can be seen, smelt, and hacked into bits. So what we kill in M2 is Shiver's very soul; thus she is dead forever now.
