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Posted By: Welly (spider-wo062.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 2/6/2001 at 2:55 p.m.

In Response To: Re: The other 2 Fallen, GURPS, and where is Iller? (Forrest of B.org)

: Are you David Wellington? ("Welly", I remember
: some called him).

Nope, I don't know who that is but the name I've heard before. I'm Welly, short for Welnire, you can find me most often at the Mill's General Forum (but Aaron is in front of Welly)

: Except that The Lurker is a she and you called her 'him',
: yes.

The Lurker is a she, yes know I remember, just I wasn't thinking when I was typing I guess. But was that the name in the Eidos pre-release info pages? Or did they have Bonesplitter instead?

: He was plunged into the icy Dramus river and should have
: died, but didn't by some magical means. GURPS
: postulates that he DID die, and the magical means by
: which he is still alive is the "extra lives"
: method of cheating death through loopholes in the laws
: of the afterlife.

That GURPS theory is interesting, but not much more in my mind :) Personally I think he didn't die at all but was pretty darn close, the only thing keeping him alive was his immense magical preservation abilities kicking in. Any other man would have been bagged.

But when your body erupts and your corpse is thrown over 50 feet in separate pieces, well, then your dead, no matter what magic you have. Which is why there is no question in my mind that the ole fart is finally bagged.

But why did he go out like that? After just defeating his nemesis? I think it shows how what goes around comes around for the Dark, and even the genius and master mage he was, he underestimated the power of Shiver's death blast.

Also, I think Rabican only semi-killed Shiver in that famous dream duel. Sure he blasted her body, but her soul went instead to the "ether" which clearly is not the Myth afterlife, called the "One Dream." Which is why Soulblighter was able to bring her back, cuz she wasn't 100% dead. What Sublighter did to her was totally different than what he does to Thrall: he RESTORED her, but for Undead, he Creates then from scratch with the Dream of Unlife and puts it in a body. Clearly Shiver's body is not exactly "alive" like normal people are, but it isn't Undead either, because her mind is there, not some Dark aniamtion magic like in Thrall, Wights, Ghasts, those Skeletons from Chimera, etc.

But then how do Myrmidons have their minds, you might ask? Aren't they Undead? No if you ask me. They were Still Alive when Balor gave them some kind of immortality dream, but to their dismay, the immortality was for the soul to stay in the body forever, not to prevent aging! Which is why they are decaying. Shows us thatno deal with the Dark ever comes out to what we think is to our advantage. Myrms lost all they held dear: their appearance, cuz they were friggin vain in the membrane.

Damn I talk to much!
-Welly

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