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Of chance, and God

Posted By: Forrest of B.org (term1-10.vta.west.net)
Date: 1/30/2001 at 12:06 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Sentience: one species per planet (tiger)

: One of the most sound arguements for religion is the very
: fact that the chances of everything occuring exactly
: as it did, the way it did, are literally next to zero.
: What are the CHANCES that life just HAPPENED to
: develop, and that the atoms in chromosomes just
: HAPPENDED to bond together in such a way, and that
: they just HAPPEN to work together in order to
: create/maintin life... these odds are quite small.
: Basically, as Thomas Aquinas wrote, there has to be a
: God/some form of directed order otherwise this
: (life/technology/complex organisms) could not occur.
: Astrophysics takes this to another level- if indeed
: there was a big bang, what started it? Where did the
: mass/energy come from? Must there be an "in the
: beginning?"

: Yes, there is randomness and order and many times they
: happen to be the same thing- just look at quantum
: physics and the principle behind it. But the truth is,
: it is indeed possible, even with all these scientific
: establishments and incredible accomplishments stating
: that there is nothing out there that there remains a
: hole in every story- there always seems to be room for
: God.

: BTW, i'm agnostic- but that story of the Christian
: apologist simply made me feel like ranting.

I feel like ranting as well.

The odds of two random molecules smashing together creating life are infinitesimal. However, consider all the INSANELY HUGE amounts of organic molecules flying around the universe... all the possible worlds on which they could wind up on a beach, shells of protiens being beaten open and resealed with other things like mitochondria in them... the likely hood of a high-carbon atmostphere on such worlds guarding the early life from death-by-suntan...

The chances of any of this happening any given time are tiny, but possibly occurrances are happening BILLIONS of times, all over the universe. If something only happens in 1% of the given chances, but there are 10^1000 chances happening at any given moment, that's a lot of successes.

As for God... I believe there is one, but not because something had to start the Big Bang. The Big Bang was started by the Big Crunch at the end of the universe (cyclical time - I believe in a five-dimensional hypertauroid-shaped universe, which also explains the current accelerated expansion of space, when combined with my theory on gravitomagnetics).

The thing that makes me thing that god, or something outside the universe, exists... is really a funny story. I was thinking one day about how some kids just say "why? . . . why? . . . why?" to every answer to every question you give them, until you just say "because". It occurred to me then... "because" is a valid answer. Trace any line of events far enough back and you see that it all happened because we are in a particular timeline where events happen this way, and all timelines spread out from a singular event that happened... why?

Then I thought of the Big Crunch, and cyclical time. I now view reality as static; from "outside" the universe, all space, time, and proabability could be viewed as a still, unmoving, five-dimensional image, and our perception of it is simply a moving cross-section through it. I figure that since things in one point in space effect things in another point, and that things in the past effect things in the future (and, I theorize, if you were to COMPLETELY reverse time, including the expansion of space, the "future" could cause the "past" just as easily), that one timeline can effect another... so all points in the 5D multiverse are caused by all the other points, all just following the most fundamental laws of the universe, which the all-encompasing "Fabric" (of space-time/probability) obeys.

But then... who wrote those laws? They weren't just a probable chance, because probability is one of those laws. Who crafted this marvelous five-dimensional static image from nothingness?

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