: Hi Sili :)
: Sorry, I can't give up yet. Although its an
: "exchange",
: and Turquine desired shadedom, that doesn't prove all of
: them wanted to be shades, does it? I agree there's no
: way Mazzarin would have wanted to be shadified, as (a)
: he's not a baddy, and (b) he becomes less powerful. So
: he'd have to have been forced, and I see no reason why
: a defeated avatar couldn't have been shadified by force
: by an evil sorceror with the dream of Unlife.
Or else he wasn't shadified. That fits with him not wanting to be one, *and* with the statistical evidence that all shades that we know anything about become shades voluntarily. (Not just Turqine, again; GURPS says this about Shades in general).
: BTW, Shiver was dead, but brought back as a kind-of
: shade,
: so Mazzarin needn't have lived. The Encyclopaedia entry
: for shades says they are "the resurrected corpses of
: dead avatara bound to the Fallen Lords and used as
: conduits
: for their magic".
: The same Encyclopaedia entry refers to Mazzarin as a
: shade,
: and his corresponding entry says he's a shade. Lastly,
: the Journal entry for The Watcher level says "The
: last Shade
: you fight in this level is Mazzarin. He must be repaying
: an
: old debt to the good guys, because he is the easiest
: Shade
: to defeat; he arrives already damaged and he has no
: Dispersal Dreams."
: So if Mazzarin isn't a shade, there's a lot of
: corrections
: need to be made ;)
Yes, well, the Encyclopedia was written by Forrest. :-)
By which I only mean that he's putting his particular spin on the texts and gameplay, the same spin he's expressing in this thread and I'm disputing. Nowhere in the original texts does it equate the Mazzarin-shade and the old Mazzarin. It may be a stretch to consider them different people, but I think it's even more of a stretch to consider them the same. I don't think much, but I think that. :-)
--SiliconDream
