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Re: Death of Moagim

Posted By: Forrest (cache3.avtel.net)
Date: 10/7/1999 at 11:09 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Death of Moagim (SiliconDream)

: Where does it say this? I believe you, I just don't
: remember offhand. You should put it in his encylopedia
: entry.

Which part? About Tireces? That's in the M2 Epilogue, and is included in the Encyclopedia. About him being "driven from the Earth"? That's from one of the TFL journals, I think either Silvermines or Out of the Barrier.

: It looks to me like Moagim's death predated the making of
: the Tain. The Myrkridia attacked Muirthemne before the
: spider-cult's shrines were established in the
: catacombs(see the Myrk ghost flavor text), and at
: least according to my interpretation Connacht didn't
: gain possession of the Tain until the end of the
: spider-cult. I don't think the Myrkridia all died when
: Connacht killed Moagim; it wouldn't make sense then to
: say that Connacht "hunted them to
: extinction." I think Moagim probably died when he
: attacked Muirthemne and the Myrkridia, without
: intelligent guidance, become less of a terror and more
: of a nuisance. Connacht hunted them down one by one
: until, gaining possession of the Tain, he teleported
: the survivors inside.

Interesting interpretation. I don't think that the Tain can simply teleport *everyone* into it at once; it has to be invoked on groups one at a time. If it could do everyone at once, why did Soulblighter just trap the Legion, all the humans everywhere, all the Nine, his Fallen enemies, and Balor himself all into the Tain, and hurled it into the Great Devoid, leaving the world for himself? Instead he just trapped some 50,000 (IIRC) members of the Legion. So Connacht could have "hunted them to extinction" using the Tain as a weapon, and killed Moagim some other way.

: Long way of saying: I agree with you. Moagim wasn't sent
: into the Tain. Since I continue to believe that Moagim
: was the Leveler whose body was destroyed in the Fourth
: Era by fire, I don't think he was physically
: "driven from the earth." I think the phrase
: refers to the fact that the Leveler's spirit was
: exiled from the world for another 500 years.

Hrm. I still think that those four Levellers were separate from Moagim and Balor, as it describes their deaths and then says "Moagim, Balor and all those before them wore the Mantle of the Leveller".

: Hey, when did the Cath Bruig empire begin? And how did it
: survive Moagim? Or did it get destroyed in every Dark
: Age and rebuilt in every Light Age? If so, I'd say the
: world is, on average, improving, since the last
: incarnation of the empire was the "greatest the
: world had ever known."

The Bruig were around when the Krids attacked, just like the Province was around when the undead attacked - and both just barely survived with the help of a Great Hero. We don't know when it began, though, only that it was around before Connacht.

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