: Ares, you're the one who started the debate. You posted
: the obviously incorrect claim that the two statements
: were necessarily inconsistent; Dan pointed out that
: you were wrong; I thought his post could use a little
: clarification.
To date, I have not heard ONE ARGUMENT - not ONE - that can reconcile the two claims that Alric was king before the war and that he was not king before the war. Give it your best shot instead of making personal attacks.
: I really didn't expect that you could
: possibly think, on reflection, that your original
: opinion was correct. I thought that, at most, you'd
: reply with something like, "Oh. Well, I interpret
: the statements differently, but I can see that under
: your interpretation there is no inconsistency."
Except there is no valid interpretation that can resolve the inconsistency. Dan makes use of incorrect definitions of the word Reclaim and tries to say that they talk about two different points in time (not only are we talking about spans, not points, but the time spans overlap a great deal). Neither of these arguments makes sense or is in any way, shape, or form correct.
: Instead, you responded by saying that (against all
: logic and common sense) the interpretation that
: produces an inconsistency must be the correct one!
: Credit Bungie with a a modicum of intelligence, will
: you? Assume, all other things being equal, that they
: prefer to create worlds that make sense. Or at least
: permit others to make that assumption.
WTF??? YOU are the one going against all logic and commmon sense! Credit Bungie with a modicum of humanity, please. In the hundreds of pages of text written for the game in journal entries, flavor texts, in-game dialogue and the like, all rushed to production, written by several different people, do you not think is is POSSIBLE that MAYBE they made one trivial little error?
The question remains... How can you reclaim what you never have? Perhaps its just a matter of using "his" instead of "the" or "reclaim" instead of "claim" but the way the sentances are worded now, technically, they are contradictory. I thought you were pretty good at English, Sili (English is MY best subject, I don't mean to brag when I say I got a 36 ACT and a 760 SAT in English, I just mean that you can't tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about).
Can you tell me that if YOU were an editor for Bungie and YOU saw these two statements, you wouldnt have changed the wording of one of them? You wouldn't have at least changed "reclaimed his throne" to "claimed his throne," or "reclaimed the throne", BOTH of which can be reconciled?
Look, I am aware of how trivial and insignificant this argument is, but I refuse to back down unless you start making some reasonable arguments or concede that the statements are contradictory, due to a technicality.
: So yes, we debated you. But that's only because none of
: us who disagree live close enough to bombard your
: house with dead livestock via catapult.
Funny. Shut up.
: Crown princes can't have thrones...jeez...
Uhm, they really don't. Plus even if they did, why would he want to be a crown prince again? Wouldn't he want to "claim" his father's throne, the kings, instead of "reclaiming" his lowly prince's throne?
Try to think a little bit instead of using words like "jeez" to convey the message that you are so high above everyone else that it would be folly to argue any other way.
-Ares
