: BTW Forrest, I sent this to you by mistake instead of
: posting it to alt.games.myth, here it is on this
: thread too
Hrm, I never got it in the mail...
: Heh, I get it. So, The Head was a guy with an arbitrarily
: made up name that was beheaded by entities we've never
: even heard of in the game.
We've heard of the Dark Gods - the Ghols worship them. I had always figured they were the old gods who were around before the Nyx/Wyrd/Leveller trinity we used to believe in.
: Nice one, gurps (I've
: stopped capitalizing that because it doesnt deserve
: it). It seems much more logical that it is Moagim...
: there's a lot more evidence than that one comic. Many
: levellers have been beheaded before. Indeed we know of
: none that for sure HAVENT been beheaded...
: Moagim was beheaded, DarkSkies, Forrest and myself had an
: argument about it a while back and we found that the
: consensus was that the practice of drawing and
: quartering involved cutting off the head...
As I recall, the only thing resembling a consensus coming out of that discussion (I assume you're talking about the one on AGM? I don't remember another one) was that "drawn and quartered" has a myriad of definitions. From simply being tied to four horses and ripped into quarters, to being cut into four pieces, to being beheaded and cut into four pieces, to being cut into a myriad of pieces and your organs withdrawn and the bits & jibs put on stakes around town...
So no, Moagim was NOT definitely beheaded. He might have been, but not neccesarily.
: Seeing as the four body parts were dragged to the four
: corners of the world, does it not make perfect sense
: that the head would be in the center, i.e.,
: Muirthemne? That is, if you want to get the body as
: seperated as possible.
Actually, the center of the Myth world as we know it is Tharsis. And yes I'm sure, I've measured.
: Still-living heads of levellers are gotten rid of in a
: myriad of ways - and that this particular head just
: HAPPENS to be buried under Connacht's capital city -
: its a logical explanation. The GURPS version most
: certainly is not.
We only know of two Leveller who were certainly beheaded - the guy Tireces killed, and Balor. Then there's Moagim and the guy Connacht killed (so-called "Moagim Reborn"). I don't have any problem with the idea that all Levellers are beheaded, I just don't think the Head is simply some ex-Leveller - his actions suggest a much more complex motive than just destruction or conquest. He's a double-crossing sumbitch who seems to know something about everything - the former could maybe make sense for an evil maniac who was killed by the reigning evil maniac, but the latter makes much more sense for a god.
: Son of Wyrd beheaded by "The Dark Gods?"
: PLEASE. So, Wyrd has less power than Truan, who got
: him out? Why doesnt Wyrd do anything about his son
: being beheaded? ("Wyrd killed them, thats why
: they weren't mentioned in the game!" :P)
Truan just dug the Head up. I doubt it'd been buried forever if it really was Segoth. And Wyrd does seem to be pretty much powerless nowadays - why hasn't be stopped the Leveller, killed the meany alien Trow, fixed the wound Nyx inflicted on his world (Tharsis), and generally made things a better place? In fact, the only thing we know he does these days - and even this is only on the word of some Mythworlder - is smite Fetch.
: and WHO ARE THE DARK GODS?
The guys the Ghols worship!
: I'll tell you what happened. Gurps tried to provide an
: easy answer to a problem that Bungie didnt want to
: deal with, so they deliberately made something up that
: had no references within the game. The only problem is
: it opens up more questions than answers. I refuse to
: believe that Bungie did not leave the clues to the
: identity of the Head in the Myth series and made the
: player depend on buying a book for an RPG instead -
GURPS doesn't even say The Head IS Segoth - they just say that Segoth is now a living, talking head. All they say about the Head is what we already know - he's a living, talking Head who had a role in the Great War. The obvious connection is left as an exercise for the reader.
: The clues that they left point directly to Moagim.
The clues Bungie left as to the identity of the Head point in a vague direction off the map of our knowledge.
