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Re: Avatar Phelot?

Posted By: CryoBlue (wecnet5200-1-1.wecnet.com)
Date: 8/14/1999 at 6:40 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Avatar Phelot? (SiliconDream)

: What it specifically says is, "separated from their
: masters and obviously lost." And if you check the
: map, you'll see that these Soulless belong to Myrdred,
: not 'B'a'h'l'a'l' (I can't remember where the
: apostrophe in his name goes, so I just put it
: everywhere). That doesn't address your main point,
: though. Yes, I grant you the Soulless have enough
: intelligence to, say, throw a javelin, or avoid
: running into a tree. We (or I, since YOU STILL don't
: have the game :) )
: see them at target practice in "Limbs, Heads, and
: Smoking Craters." And the Thrall are doubtless
: this smart too. The Watcher doesn't have to say,
: "Now lift your axe--no, contract THAT
: muscle--that's it, now bring it down on that peasant's
: head," etc., he just says "Kill!" But
: that makes them about as smart as a trout, or a
: Commodore 64. (If you have an opinion on whether a
: trout or a Commodore 64 is smarter, keep it to
: yourself.) They're robots, only as smart as they need
: to be to carry out basic orders. Without The Deceiver
: to guide them on this level, all they can do is float
: forward and kill anything they see. There's a big
: difference between the Deceiver's twisting the minds
: of men and The Watcher's taking their minds away
: completely except for the ability to comprehend a few
: basic commands.

I agree, they are dumb, but can still do easy things like move over there or kill that ect. Hmm... I dont know, I wonder if a commador 64 would charge into a dwarf guarded area, cuz I am sure a trout wouldnt... :)

: Doubtful, since it explicitly says Connacht did. The
: Deceiver is said to have been an Avatara of the
: "Wolf Age," whereas Connacht was the hero of
: the Wind Age; does anyone know which came first? I'd
: guess the Wolf Age did, since The Deceiver's supposed
: to be over a millennium old; in that case he lived
: through all of Connacht's reign as a good guy and
: maybe he counseled Connacht on how to defeat the
: Watcher. But The Deceiver is also supposed to have
: been "turned from the Light," not be an
: "ancient evil" like the Watcher. Maybe you
: aren't considered ancient in Myth unless you're at
: least two or three thousand years old.

Ancient is a long time, but it is more importantly a relative time. How ancient "ancient" is may depend on who says it.

: Do you have any idea how Connacht "imprisoned"
: the Trow?

Well, he sunk their cities into ice, so I think most of trowland is in "the deep" and the trow are burried somewhere doing whatever trow do when they are bored and cant go where they want to. If you ask me, they are in caves under the deep, and they havent easily smashed out because its underwater, and they need air, dont they?

: He seems to have had a thing for locking
: away evils instead of destroying them; entombing The
: Watcher, imprisoning the Trow, trapping the Myrkridia
: in the Tain. Was he already under the influence of the
: Leveller, or was he just such a nice guy that he never
: killed anyone?

Genocide isnt easy. Prison is. also, if you imprison something, you basically solve the problem, except for a few of them, but if you try genocide, people will be annoyed if its not complete.

: Well, in my view, (and it's a very sympathetic one as
: you've probably noticed) as soon as he realized what
: the two sides really were (creation vs. destruction)
: he was willing to join the Light. He just wasn't able
: to until Balor died and he was again his own master.

Yeah, and at this point, he was half dead in the ice.

: Mind control doesn't seem like something most good guys
: would work at. And Balor named him The Deceiver, so I
: think it dates from that period. And I don't think the
: Trow needed anyone to mastermind revolts; they seem to
: have done quite well at pissing off everyone they ever
: met without help.

: Probably. It was just a little strange that they
: mentioned his injury without mentioning his death. But
: it probably doesn't mean anything.

: Sissy. How do you expect to be able to watch Ren and
: Stimpy?

: The D, the D-man, D-dogg, the D-meister...
: The Light didn't kill him. The Watcher was the one who
: put him in his state of half-death. And prior to
: Alric's improvised plan, the Nine probably weren't
: expecting to be able to kill Balor without going
: through all the Fallen Lords first. I know I sure
: hadn't planned on it until Alric came to me
: with...whoops, hallucinating again.

Tell me, how much "Acid Rain" do you get in your area? :)

-CryoBlue

Messages In This Thread

  • Whats with Phelot
    Jenova (ts011d36.phm-pa.concentric.net) -- 8/13/1999 at 8:52 a.m.
    • Re: Whats with Phelot
      Drunken Ghol (pm7f.icx.net) -- 8/13/1999 at 1:59 p.m.
      • Avatar Phelot?
        Chris t' Crappy (14.mercerville-41-42rs.nj.dial-access.att.net) -- 8/13/1999 at 3:41 p.m.
        • Re: Avatar Phelot?
          CryoBlue (wecnet5200-1-32.wecnet.com) -- 8/13/1999 at 4:01 p.m.
          • Re: Avatar Phelot?
            Chris t' Crappy (14.mercerville-41-42rs.nj.dial-access.att.net) -- 8/13/1999 at 5:30 p.m.
          • Re: Avatar Phelot?
            SiliconDream (anton-mates.hip.berkeley.edu) -- 8/13/1999 at 5:41 p.m.
            • Re: Avatar Phelot?
              Saradin (ppp-206-170-6-205.rdcy01.pacbell.net) -- 8/13/1999 at 9:19 p.m.
              • Re: Avatar Phelot?
                SiliconDream (anton-mates.hip.berkeley.edu) -- 8/13/1999 at 10:20 p.m.
                • Re: Avatar Phelot?
                  CryoBlue (wecnet5200-1-1.wecnet.com) -- 8/14/1999 at 6:40 a.m.
                • Recycle those bad guys
                  Chris t' Crappy (238.mercerville-45-50rs.nj.dial-access.att.net) -- 8/14/1999 at 7:38 a.m.
                • correction
                  Drunken Ghol (pm22a.icx.net) -- 8/14/1999 at 4:57 p.m.
              • Re: Avatar Phelot?
                Forrest (term1-10.vta.west.net) -- 8/13/1999 at 11:03 p.m.
              • Trow/Deceiver
                Chris t' Crappy (238.mercerville-45-50rs.nj.dial-access.att.net) -- 8/14/1999 at 7:27 a.m.
            • Trows
              Shadowlord (clt74-109.carolina.rr.com) -- 8/20/1999 at 9:35 a.m.

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