: No! Souless actually have capabilities to think. Read the
: prologue to "Ambush at Devil's Overlook" It
: says that Souless were confused and didn't know what
: to do. If the Watcher had total control over the
: souless, he would tell them exactly what to do.
: Instead, they kinda just are lost, which meanst that
: the Watcher doesn't always have direct control over
: them, which means they must have some thinking ability
: (though minimal).
What it specifically says is, "separated from their masters and obviously lost." And if you check the map, you'll see that these Soulless belong to Myrdred, not 'B'a'h'l'a'l' (I can't remember where the apostrophe in his name goes, so I just put it everywhere). That doesn't address your main point, though. Yes, I grant you the Soulless have enough intelligence to, say, throw a javelin, or avoid running into a tree. We (or I, since YOU STILL don't have the game :) )
see them at target practice in "Limbs, Heads, and Smoking Craters." And the Thrall are doubtless this smart too. The Watcher doesn't have to say, "Now lift your axe--no, contract THAT muscle--that's it, now bring it down on that peasant's head," etc., he just says "Kill!" But that makes them about as smart as a trout, or a Commodore 64. (If you have an opinion on whether a trout or a Commodore 64 is smarter, keep it to yourself.) They're robots, only as smart as they need to be to carry out basic orders. Without The Deceiver to guide them on this level, all they can do is float forward and kill anything they see. There's a big difference between the Deceiver's twisting the minds of men and The Watcher's taking their minds away completely except for the ability to comprehend a few basic commands.
: That and the deciever was light during Connacht's reign,
: the Watcher was dark during Connacht's reign. Maybe
: the Deciever was the one who ultimately defeated the
: Watcher?
Doubtful, since it explicitly says Connacht did. The Deceiver is said to have been an Avatara of the "Wolf Age," whereas Connacht was the hero of the Wind Age; does anyone know which came first? I'd guess the Wolf Age did, since The Deceiver's supposed to be over a millennium old; in that case he lived through all of Connacht's reign as a good guy and maybe he counseled Connacht on how to defeat the Watcher. But The Deceiver is also supposed to have been "turned from the Light," not be an "ancient evil" like the Watcher. Maybe you aren't considered ancient in Myth unless you're at least two or three thousand years old.
: I think's Shiver's comment was made because The Deciever
: followed Connacht while he was still good. And I think
: the Trow were just pissed off that Connacht (the
: light) destroyed their civilization. But I would
: assume that after Balor and Alric's little
: conversation in the fortress, they realized that
: Balor=Connacht.
Do you have any idea how Connacht "imprisoned" the Trow? He seems to have had a thing for locking away evils instead of destroying them; entombing The Watcher, imprisoning the Trow, trapping the Myrkridia in the Tain. Was he already under the influence of the Leveller, or was he just such a nice guy that he never killed anyone?
: Hmmm... interesting. Maybe the Deciever (known from here
: on forth as "the D" And I think the the
: Watcher should be called "the W", but who
: listens to me anyway?) knows about the cycle and all
: that stuff. So he joins up with the side that is
: winning. And he knows that if Muirthemne is taken by
: the light, the tables have turned and he joins up with
: the light.
Well, in my view, (and it's a very sympathetic one as you've probably noticed) as soon as he realized what the two sides really were (creation vs. destruction) he was willing to join the Light. He just wasn't able to until Balor died and he was again his own master.
: Maybe he already knew mind control before joining Balor.
: Who knows, maybe the Orgre revolt was masterminded by
: The Deciever in an attempt to weaken the Trow. Or
: maybe not.
Mind control doesn't seem like something most good guys would work at. And Balor named him The Deceiver, so I think it dates from that period. And I don't think the Trow needed anyone to mastermind revolts; they seem to have done quite well at pissing off everyone they ever met without help.
: I think he died. After all, once he lost Bagrada, he'd
: probably run to Madrigal and die there from whoever
: took the town.
Probably. It was just a little strange that they mentioned his injury without mentioning his death. But it probably doesn't mean anything.
: Or maybe the baron was an imposter. My suggestion is much
: more... mentally pleasant.
Sissy. How do you expect to be able to watch Ren and Stimpy?
: #3: Why fight the D? If the D was being forced to fight
: for Balor, why kill him instead of convincing him to
: help kill the remain Fallen after Balor's death?
The D, the D-man, D-dogg, the D-meister...
The Light didn't kill him. The Watcher was the one who put him in his state of half-death. And prior to Alric's improvised plan, the Nine probably weren't expecting to be able to kill Balor without going through all the Fallen Lords first. I know I sure hadn't planned on it until Alric came to me with...whoops, hallucinating again.
--SiliconDream
