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Re: The Thing about Gurps.

Posted By: David Wellington (dialup-209.244.76.122.Denver1.Level3.net)
Date: 1/19/2000 at 1:28 p.m.

In Response To: Re: The Thing about Gurps. (Forrest)

You make some excellent points, most of which I'm not contesting. I'll address them all here because I feel that if I'm going to make a controversial statement I should back it up.

: And it's explained that people frequently come back from
: the dead in Myth. No problem there.

My problem is that it isn't explained HOW he did it. Did Alric get Tramist's Mirror at Soulblighter's tax auction? Did he pull some kind of David Copperfield type stunt (he is a magician, after all), get blown apart, come walking out from behind a bush and say "I'm okay folks! Thanks for coming and tip your waitress"? I'm willing to forgive most of the glaring contradictions, but this one contradicts the eyewitness evidence of everyone who has ever solved that level.

: Actually, the prerelease info didn't mention Shiver at
: all. It listed Soulblighter, The Deceiver, Bahl'al,
: The Voiceless One, Bonesplitter, and the Faceless Man.
: Since SB and the D obviously kept the same names, and
: we pinned Bahl'al as the Watcher, and Shiver obviously
: isn't a faceless MAN, that left her as the Voiceless
: One or Bonesplitter. And we argued incessantly over
: which it was. Then GURPS said "The Voiceless
: One" and that settled it. Bonesplitter is The
: Lurker, and The Faceless Man is the one unknown.

My bad. I still can't follow that whole argument, it's just too convoluted. It sounds fun, though.

: That's what we're debating now - the nature of how they
: were the same person and yet sometimes not. But they
: are the same person, or spirit, or somehow the same,
: that much we know for sure.

Yep. No argument here. It looks to me, though, like GURPS just made the confusion worse.

: I'M NOT ATTACKING YOU, DAMNIT! ;-)

Sorry. There are one or two people here who might have attacked me and the disclaimer was for them. Everyone who has reponded so far--and the vast, vast, utterly vast majority of asylumers have been friendly and polite and to all of them (you included), I say thanks.

: Seriously though, I tend to believe GURPS over characters
: in the Myth world, because characters in the Myth
: world are limited by being inside it and not being
: able to see it all and know for sure. But things
: stated about the world from outside it are what define
: what the world is. But if Bungie, as an outside source
: and not through a character in Myth, says something
: that contradicts GURPS, I'd believe them of course.

Unfortunately, they probably never will. Much as it hurts, I'm afraid there will never be a Myth 3, and I don't see Bungie bothering to respond to our questions when we seem so good at arguing them out amongst ourselves. I agree with your point about unreliable narrators, but what about the manual that comes with the game? You'd think that would be a kind of Encyclopedia Mythica, but sometimes GURPS expressly contradicts it.

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