: I can resurrect anything I want. Why do you feel you need
: to reply to everything? No one is making you.
: Hmm... there is no evidence of this. Since you seem to be
: thinking right out of the book, this belief can't hold
: water. It's basically spelled out that the Deceiver,
: once his scepter left his hand and plunged to the
: bottom of Dramus, be became powerless and was swept
: downstream. Until the scepter is brought to him, he
: could not escape from the ice, the only power he had
: left was the ability to keep himself alive. Once the
: D's staff is returned, the D springs back to life.
: That's how it happened at face-value, as you say.
: Of course the Deceiver meant to tell Alric. Alric was his
: last hope. Certainly the Deceiver could not kill Balor
: himself. He would bring the other Lords down upon him
: and have to go in hiding until somebody defeated all
: the Lords.
: He's smart, not stupid. He obviously is not too pleased
: with his position in Balor's ranks. As mentioned
: dozens of times, Myth is roughly based on "The
: Black Company", and many of the Taken (similar to
: the Fallen Lords) plot to kill The Lady (similar to
: the Leveller) in hopes for various events to occur
: (their freedom from her sorcery among them.) The
: stories nearly mirror each other (and I'm only on
: "Shadows Linger" so I don't know how the
: story ultimately turns out) but the general theme is
: identical.
: The D is bent to Balor's will (meaning, he doesn't get
: his power from Balor, but he does things that mirror
: Balor's motives) and doesn't have the best track
: record of all the Fallen Lords. Apparently, the
: majority of the Lords don't like him, so he's not
: making any friends. All he wants is to get out and see
: the rebirth of the Empire. As mentioned before, he
: can't just walk up to Balor and slay him. It's much
: too difficult. So, he captures Alric (why Alric was
: sent out towards the D's camp is another mystery) and
: has him in his possession. He takes on the image of
: Balor and interrogates Alric, knowing he's not going
: to get anything out of him. But, he uses the avatara
: to start (or continue) his plan.
: The D either tells Alric of the bounding straight forward
: (Alric could have engaged "Balor" in
: conversation, not small talk, but he could have
: questioned him back, and the D could have revealed the
: false information through this conversation) or by
: letting Alric overhear him talking to someone else or
: through whatever sorcery he could use.
: The info is false. Once Balor falls, the other Lords do
: not fall. (See : Myth 2) And the idea that you bring
: up, that the Lords were temporarily powerless, is not
: the impression that Alric gets. He believes that once
: Balor is defeated, the other Lords will fall and never
: come to power again.
: I've said it many times. The info has to be false. Why
: would Balor tell Alric, or let Alric some how across
: this info while he is in the area, that if Balor were
: to die, the Dark's campaign would be over. He would
: want Alric to hunt down all the Lords first, then come
: after Balor. The war may have last 1000 years if Alric
: learned that instead. If Alric thought that each Lord
: had to fall first, before Balor could perish, then
: Balor would have plenty of time to wreak havoc on the
: Myth world while the Legion focused on each Lord.
: It makes no sense that Balor would allow Alric to walk
: away with the impression that Balor *had* to fall and
: his destruction was more important than any other
: Lord. A general or king, or some sort of leader would
: never invite the enemy to focus on him. Main strategy
: is to spread the focus so concentration on one enemy
: cannot happen.
: 2. Do you think that the
: I don't know how he may have told Alric, but I simply
: asked you how the stone was found or learned about.
: There is no explanation given so I was suggesting one.
: After the Watcher defeated the Deceiver, the D could
: have fled and told Alric the location of the stone.
: Who knows.
: No, you say every level is beatable and that affects the
: story. You say "Are we to assume a player of Myth
: is smarter than Balor if he can defeat Alric?".
: No. Don't you see what goes on during The Last Battle?
: The standard is brought out, which evokes no emotion
: in them player, but for the ex-hero of the Wolf Age
: who vanquished the terror of Myrkridia, seeing the
: standard of one of his most hated foes will enrage him
: to the point where he doesn't think properly. NOTHING
: like this was recorded happening during the rescue of
: Alric. There was nothing to cloud Balor's judgement,
: so you can't say "Balor screwed up in the Last
: Battle, who says he can't screw up in 'The Five
: Champions'?" There was no source for his screw
: up. There was an obvious object that through Balor's
: judgement off at his fortress, nothing of the sort
: happened out in the desert.
: One would have to assume the heroes rescued Alric under
: different circumstances.
: I talked about this above. But, no, it wasn't just a year
: of tactical perfection, it was the whole 17 1/2 years
: of the war. If he made an error, it would have been
: recorded somewhere. No where is there a mention, in
: GURPS, manuals or journals that Balor made an error
: before the Last Battle.
: As for the idiot beating the Light, away from what I said
: above, the Dark has more units. We are to believe that
: Alric pulled a fast one on Balor by distorting his
: perception and emotions. Plus, Alric and his men would
: have died if the Eblis stone was not used. Without
: that, Balor would have cut down Alric and the zerks
: like grass.
: No, it doesn't make anyone look stupid. It actually makes
: the Deceiver look cunning, but I guess its just your
: perception of the events that unfolded.
: Again, Balor was not his regular self. He was thrown a
: curveball with the standard, and perhaps didn't
: recover from this, or did, but it was too late. Alric
: whipped out the Eblis stone and the rest is history.
: The game is linear. The current year of Myth is one year
: after the fall of Soulblighter. We are viewing the
: events of the game from this point in time. The game
: just allows you to play through. If the game was
: multlinear, then there would be more to the losses.
: There is not. There is one goal and only one road to
: it. Veterans, just an added feature. That is not
: evidence of a non-linear story.
: There are not multiple endings to the game or to each
: level. Once you fail, you can't progress, you are
: *forced* to start over and try the level again because
: that is the one, the only, the correct path to take.
: So, are you telling me there are poacher's rifles and
: exploding deer in the Myth world? I doubt it because
: one side would have used either to their advantage. If
: you are telling me the game is mulitlinear, you can't
: explain away the poacher level by saying "That's
: just a joke" because it's one possibility for the
: gamer to go through.
: But, it's never recorded anywhere that the citizens of
: the Myth world had access to any sort of gun.
: I do. If the game has different paths and endings, I want
: to play through them or at least see what happens.
: This game is not a RPG, its a RTS with ONE ending. If
: you want to see it, you have to play through the game
: by winning each level. We must view this story from
: the present not from each level because that is the
: way it is pushed upon us.
: Heh, Bungie made the story up but that doesn't mean they
: know what happens when the Legion fails. The story is
: supposed to have happened as we read it in GURPS.
: There is no other path, just end-level screens that
: show us what *could* happen if we don't click
: "Restart" and beat the level. We are to view
: the story from the year GURPS explains is current.
: No, you have to keep ALL of the five champions alive, not
: just one. This is for the challenge of the game. Plus,
: Alric can't escape until the force field is destroyed.
: It was extremely easy to destroy, but Alric couldn't
: do that from inside of it.
: Obviously not, look at Soulblighter. Or the Deceiver. If
: he had his scepter, who knows what he may have done.
: Because things don't make sense and that's the nature of
: this forum.
: And what information would Balor want or hope to get from
: Alric? If the volcano hadn't erupted, with the
: Watcher's constant attacks on the Legions rear during
: the winter and the Deceiver's soulless and ghols
: raiding small bands of Legionnaires, the war probably
: would have ended favoring the Dark by the end of the
: 18th year.
: There was nothing to learn from Alric and Balor would
: have known that Alric wouldn't fess up. After all,
: with the Watcher attacking the Legion's rear all
: winter, and the Deceiver's soulless and ghols raiding
: small bands of Legionnaires, when the war resumed in
: the Spring, the Light would be pincered and their
: defeat probably would have occurred by the end of the
: 18th year. It all was going the Dark's way, until
: Tharsis erupted.
: The Leveller seeks to destroy. Alric is one of the, if
: not the most important and power mage of the Light.
: Balor should have killed him the minute he reached the
: Deceiver's camp.
: You are speculating, like you say I do. I answered your
: point before, as did Dan, but perhaps you missed it. I
: never answered it again because I figured once was
: enough.
: The Deceiver took the image of Balor and gave Alric the
: info through some means. The Deceiver does deceive,
: Balor gave him the name because it is something he
: does. Again, The Lady from The Black Company gives the
: Taken names very similar to the Fallen Lords. The
: Limper (because he has a bad foot and limps), the
: Howler (because he howls when he uses his powers),
: Soulcatcher (takes souls), Shapeshifter (alters his
: shape), Stormbringer (uses the power of weather)...and
: so on. Bungie got many of its ideas from The Black
: Company, and to name the Fallen Lords, who have
: obvious names, after something they do is taken from
: the series of books.
: The Deceiver won't come outright and tell Alric of hid
: plan, perhaps not yet. He probably doesn't trust
: everyone, like most people don't trust him. He can't
: reveal himself and his plans to the leader of the
: Light and then have it backfire on him. After all,
: Alric or someone could let out the secret that the D
: is working for the Light to cause strife amongst the
: Lords and then the D would surely fall. The D wants to
: live and see the Dark fall, and by giving Alric info
: and keeping himself out of it directly, he ensures
: this.
: The D does, and he ensures it. All we know is that Alric
: escaped and not ONE hero died. That's how the story
: goes. That's how the Deceiver wanted it.
: You can't, like I said above, do this. He calculated hid
: plans out well and he doesn't seem the guy to come out
: and just admit his plans to others. Can you imagine
: the Deceiver say what you wrote above? No. He has his
: motives and methods. And, they worked.
: You have to create a realistic situation. You have to
: also make Alric and the 5 heroes believe that they are
: defending Alric. Remember, the D didn't just have to
: fool Balor,. he had to also fool Alric and the
: rescuers.
: The Deceiver may have been counting on a rescue team to
: come through the area.
: Again, he's not into giving in to anyone. He's not going
: admit his problems to Alric and ask for help. He stay
: with the Dark, keeps Balor and the other Lords
: thinking he is still on their side, and let's Alric do
: the dirty work. Sounds like a good idea to me. And,
: while Alric is going after Balor, the D could kill of
: the Watcher. But... his plans fall apart when the
: Legion seizes the arm and to prevent the Watcher from
: getting the arm from the Legion, he gets on their ass
: and forces them to flee, then when the Watcher is
: ready to pounce, the Deceiver turns around and
: sacrifices his forces to stop the Watcher in his
: tracks and to allow for the easy escape of the Legion
: with the arm. After all, if the D could not have the
: arm, he wanted anyone else that wished the Lord dead
: to have it in their possession.
: No, the Deceiver took on the image of Balor. Balor was
: not present when Alric was captive. He may have
: arrived just afterwards, but he was not their before
: or during the rescue.
: No, he has to give him the false info. This would ensure
: the fall of Balor and no longer would the Deceiver be
: "bent to his will". He could do whatever he
: pleases, which probably has something do with the Cath
: Bruig.
: Again, he lied to Alric to get Balor dead. That's why.
: the Deceiver wanted Balor dead so the Dark would lose
: shape and structure.
: This has nothing to do with the argument and frankly I
: have never given this idea much thought. Who knows
: what his motives were but all we know is that GURPS is
: written as if the Deceiver is alive and well, and is
: in service of the Empire.
: If it truly hasn't, I hope I asnwered it well-enough now.
: You know, these posts are getting longer and longer,
: and much more time-consuming to write :)
: Chris
