: This is going to be incredibly long, and I'm going to
: complete it on a different thread. Hell, it's the
: weekend--I'm sure you'll need something to do. ;)
As you can see, I have a great deal of time on my hands. Post something even longer next time, so I don't have to kill time by replying needlessly, as I'm now doing. :)
: Hey, I had the same problem yesterday--on Netscape--guess
: it really is Y2K. I was in the middle of posting about
: Cu Roi's tornado attack when all of a sudden the
: asylum refused to load. Huh.
All I can say is that it happens a *lot* more on IE. I could blame it on the fact that my home computer's a Mac and the computers at work are PCs, but I figured that would be even more inflammatory.
: I'm a fellow inmate now? Why, I'm touched, really... I
: thought you had to go on AN to get that honor. I guess
: I'll need a unit, now. I know, I'll be a Jman who
: whines a lot and is really bad at attacking but can't
: be autotargeted (that's right, monsters will just
: ignore me and ninety per cent of my posts :) ).
I think I can import the whine from the peasant sounds. And I'm working on providing you with a post-flinging attack as we speak. You'll regret your jocular suggestion in due time, oh yes you will...
: Enumerated and double-checked. Lay on.
Hey, I was born of woman like everyone else!
: An excellent point, though the sheer number of near-death
: survivals is astounding. We never see what happened to
: SB after the Devoid blew up, but we know it was enough
: to incinerate everyone else there and he was standing
: right at the lip--even if he turned into crows on the
: spot, wouldn't the crows be incinerated? "He has
: survived worse", the narrator says of the
: poisonous cave fumes in the Forge--I'm assuming this
: means being disintegrated by the blast and still
: managing to walk away. Shiver's death explosion was
: nothing by comparison (and yes I know I'm comparing
: the D to SB with no reason to do so).
You've got a good reason to do so: I claimed that there were *no* confirmed examples of immediate reanimation, so you're free to choose any character in Myth. Though it may be excessive splitting of hairs, I'd say that Damas' toughness stems from the ability not to be disintegrated in the first place, rather than the ability to be disintegrated and come back. I was simply arguing that though it may be difficult to produce a force strong enough to blow a Fallen Lord apart, once you do find one he ain't coming back (unless he's the Leveller, or his soul was torn from his body, or...never mind).
And you wouldn't believe how proficient crows are at riding the shock wave from a thermonuclear blast. Precognitive evolution or something...
: Actually, I myself posted something to that effect. I
: still think Balor's head is alive. Otherwise why
: bother? Someone thinks the head and the body can be
: put back together or they wouldn't go to this
: trouble--same with the drawing and quartering, mixing
: with salt, etc.
True, but I think that's simply prudence on the part of the Light. When you kill the most powerful Dark lord in the world, you want to make sure he can't reassemble if there's even a miniscule chance that he knows how. I don't think the Leveller has the power to return to the living, save by possessing a new champion. If he *could* be put back together, I doubt the Light would even exist now. At some point in the past they wouldn't have been able to destroy his body before a Dark Age started and he'd be reassembled, to rule over the Dark Age and quash all Light resistance for good. For instance, in the Wind Age, the Dark forces would have tracked down the quarters of Moagim's body and put them back together if they thought it was worth it.
: So maybe the good folks at Heron Presbyterian know a few
: necromantic spells. Necromancy isn't just for
: Thrall--there's a big difference between say a ghast
: and a shade, and there are probably even better states
: of undeath--does GURPS say whether the Deceiver is NOT
: Undead? Does it say anything about his death and
: subsequent resurrection?
It doesn't say anything at all on the subject (which is one of the reasons I wanted to devise a theory in which *nothing* bad happened to the real Deceiver). It does mention his physical appearance, which is simply the ordinary-dirty-old-man look we're familiar with from both games. I've never seen a Myth undead who wasn't butt-ugly, so I take this to indicate that the Deceiver's still alive (he's no beauty, but he's better looking than a Shade). I admit, though, that the line between life and undeath can blur for Fallen Lords--just look at Soulblighter, undead in TFL and apparently alive in Myth2.
: Good point. No comment.
That's what I like to hear! :)
: I think these guys are better all around. They carry a
: lot more roots, for one thing. They didn't bother to
: send a Jman hero with the Five Champions, which always
: bothered me. Why wouldn't you send a medic along with
: the crack team, guys you would definitely want kept
: alive? This is not a tangent: Alric can be considered
: an "Avatara Hero", agreed? That's because
: he's the best "all-around example of the Avatara
: Ideal". Why not the same for these HG Heroes?
: Don't forget that a couple of weeks earlier these guys
: were plain vanilla Jmen, who probably had a good
: hundred years to study up on their battlefield
: medicine. Sorry to belabor this one, but would you
: suggest that the dwarf hero isn't as good at laying
: satchel charges, or the bowman hero at shooting fire
: arrows?
Let me try to answer each point in this paragraph in order, and with ridiculously long responses given that I'm not even hoping to convince you anymore.
Yes, you'd think they'd send a particularly skilled medic. But, as you say, in the TFL level "The Five Champions" they send a more or less ordinary Jman. I think the standard Myth general's thinking is--if they're not instantly killed by an attack, any Jman can save them; if they are killed by an attack, no one can save them. So it's not that important to find a really really good healer. And I think the ability to carry lots of roots (all Herons can carry a lot; they just *don't* carry many) is a function of pocket size, not medical ability. :)
Alric's the best all-around Avatara, but he is *not* the best with respect to magic use only, or with respect to combat only. Similarly, if the HG heroes were all-arounders, they would not be the best healers. They'd be above average, but not the best. And their flavor texts mention great feats in battle, not great feats in medicine ("...he hadn't slept in two days, but still he sutured... his joints ached and his hands bled, but still he sterilized... on the dawn of the third day the haemophilus bacteria fled from the patient's cerebrospinal fluid in retreat.") , so I doubt they're all-arounders anyway.
Yes, they had a hundred years to study medicine, but so did every other HG/Jman, and you don't see them resurrecting blown-up folks right and left. (If you do, you've been thinking about Myth too much and need to increase your Halperidol dosage. It happens to me occasionally.)
The dwarf hero's satchel charge-laying ability is a true combat skill (and not one that you can really be *bad* at--take out satchel, drop on ground); Oderic's fire arrow ability is a true combat skill and also intimately linked to his ability to fire ordinary arrows. Healing and swordsmanship are much less interrelated skills, it seems to me. Spend your whole day thrusting and parrying, and you're going to get rusty on your holding-root-up-and-making-Dark-Crystal-sounding-noises skills.
: They could be too busy back at Heron Presbyterian. Also,
: they're a lot closer to Muirthemne then they are to
: Tharsis.
Aha! Ahahahaha! Here's something I can actually refute! Ahh, now this whole thread's worthwhile. :)
As the narrator says, they're south of Silvermines. Silvermines is in the Cloudspine, and if you check the pregame map on "Shiver" you'll see that the champions are something like five miles from Tharsis. Okay, maybe not five miles--as an aside, do you know if anyone's ever tried to figure out the scale of the Myth map?
: Interesting point, but I don't think it has to be Myrdred
: in direct possession of the thing. I think as long as
: SOMEBODY has it in their pocket, SB can't shapeshift.
: It's dead, anyway, so maybe that's all that's
: necessary.
I concede. Darn ign'ant narrator...
: Maybe the pic happens after the balloon has taken the
: body away and they're all loopy from the hard work
: they put into sewing the D back together. I dunno. How
: does Alric get his hands on Balor's head after the
: Last Battle (see above thread)? The post game pics
: are, I think, an artist's rendition of things that
: happened a long time ago. I'm not sure they're all
: that reliable (as opposed to the cutscenes).
Yes, see above thread. I think we've got ten theories for every wacked-out post-game pic. But I think the Myth2 postgame pics are more reliable than the TFL ones.
And I hope you're joking about the cutscenes. They've got the wrong units on "The Five Champions" cutscene! Alric's torn-off head flies past in the TFL endgame cutscene! An apple core is presented as having a specific gravity much higher than that of water in the Crow's Bridge cutscene! Horrific perversions of reality!
: Whoops. I guess you win.
Well, I hope you've learned something from this humiliating defeat.
: I think we certainly have. It is fun to argue with you.
: ;)
Y'know, I'd think that my spending all this time arguing about the story of a computer game would imply that I really need a girlfriend--but I have one, and she's sleeping next to me right now, and here I am. Guess I'm doomed to become the next Noctavis. :)
: --Dave. GG, SD!
GG? I would have *creamed* your theory if not for the damn lag. :) Speaking of which, getcher butt over to b.net next Saturday for Asylum Night!
--SiliconDream
