: Which there is no evidence of.
If you mean that there's no evidence Alric wasn't taking Shiver into account....I'm sure when he said that the Fallen Lords would become powerless, he didn't mean to imply that they would lose all hope of being resurrected. Shiver, indeed, WAS powerless in a sense...she couldn't do a thing, only her spirit was barely alive. It took the combined powers of a recuperated and newly powerful Soulblighter plus Tramsist's mirror to bring her back.
: You're also speculating, so don't point that out in my
: argument. The Lords were bent to Balor's will, which
: means they all had great abilities but were now used
: for his bidding, much like the Taken in The Black
: Company. I'm not even saying they couldn't re-learn
: new powers, I'm saying that the Fallen Lord's power
: have nothing to do with Balor, so once he dies, that
: just means they can pursue anything they'd like.
In any case, you began this theory partially on the premise that Alric had been given bad information. Alric said what he learned. As long as I can show that there is no reason to suspect that what he learned was false, there isn't any reason we should think it was false, i.e., simplest explanation probably true. So, if we're both speculating, and I got the narrator on my side, I'm probably right.
: Perhaps the Fallen Lords feel the affects of Balor's
: death as whatever link he had on them is broken, but
: I'd hardly say they were dibilitated.
Remember, no way to tell. We're not around to see, and, besides, Balor has fled. As for the D, though, here's an indication that he actually did fall AFTER Balor (posted above by Wasp):
"The King has sent word to Twelve Motion Jeweled Skull, a Journeyman who served under him during his campaigns east of the Cloudspine, in hopes that he has some knowledge of what became of The Deceiver after Balor's destruction."
Look at that: "what became of The Deceiver AFTER Balor's destruction." Doesn't prove much, and, obviously, the Deceiver's defeat was largely due to the fight he had with the Watcher, but Balor's death might have contributed to his weakness. No reason to say I'm positively right, but just no reason to say I'm wrong, either, means we should take what Alric says--that the Fallen Lords would become powerless after Balor's fall--at face value.
: Wel, you've changed your stance I see.
No, I never said Balor just up front told Alric. The original theory I had going had to do with mind reading. I've just become more open minded. I realize now that it didn't even have to be Balor who told Alric (though it probably was). I am convinced that
1. The real Balor was present
2. Alric did, indeed, learn of the info "by chance" (as the narrator says) so that neither did the Deceiver make some sort of deal with him (and I've got plenty of other reasons why the D didn't make a deal with Alric in the above thread)
3. I am also convinced that Alric's captor did not mean to (who you, I'm assuming, still believe was the Deceiver) let Alric escape. More on that theory, too, in the above thread.
: Now, if Balor can "exert his power over the
: Deceiver" than why doesn't Balor exert his power
: of the Watcher and Deceiver when they begin feuding
: and duking it out? Wouldn't Balor want his own Lords
: to fight the common enemy and put their differences
: aside? But, no. On two recorded occasions these two
: fought it out and decimated one of the other's army.
: Plus, in the most recent fight, the whole battle cost
: the Dark the pass. Why didn't Balor force the two to
: stop fighting and get back to the original plans?
Frankly, I don't know the exact nature of how Balor has bound the Fallen Lords. What I'm pretty sure of is this--it 1. Meant they must become evil (a big issue with Myrdred), 2. Must not attack Balor
3. Must work towards the destruction of the Light.
He might not control them much more than this, but there's certainly something there for Alric to pick up, whether with his magical senses, or because of some interaction between the D and Balor, or some passing comment.
: Or, if Balor has bound the Lords to him, then there could
: be some way to weaken or punish them. Why doesn't he
: do this? He let's them fight each other as if he has
: no control or say in any of it. It's almost as if
: they're... independant.
Same thing I just said. Also, whatever happened between the Watcher and the Deceiver at Tyr, nothing happened between them again for many years. Why the pause? Possibly because Balor put his foot down and doled out some justice.
: And another thing, Alric can't read minds. It's never
: documented and its a not a known Myth-power.
It's just one of many ideas. Certainly, he might be able to pick up on some vibes being given off by Balor, especially if another Fallen Lord, like the Deceiver, was nearby.
Alric may not specify how he learned "by chance" of the power relationship, but that's not enough reason to suspect a deal between Alric and the Deceiver (which, again, I address in the above thread).
