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Re: READ THIS, NOT BELOW (I hit "POST" b
Posted By: Charon (207-172-46-151.s151.tnt9.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com)
Date: 1/12/2000 at 8:01 p.m.
In Response To: Re: READ THIS, NOT BELOW (I hit "POST" b (Chris t' Crappy)
: Here : "Alric was interrogated by Balor during his
: captivity, and he learned by chance that Balor had
: bound each of The Fallen to himself, to ensure their
: obedience to his will. The Fallen draw their power
: through these links, and were Balor to be killed they
: would all be powerless. The armies of the Dark would
: collapse."
: All of that is a clear lie. The Fallen Lords were not
: powerless after Balor's defeat. SB was not affected
: (after all, he has no magical abilities) and the
: Deceiver was up and running again even though he
: jammed in the ice for 60 years. Even Shiver, who had
: died, was alive and kicking. They were not powerless.
Concerning SB, why are you so insistent that he has to have magical abilities for him to be affected? Couldn't he be struck in some other way? Besides, he IS magically augmented. Perhaps those magicks, which made him a more effective fighter, disappeared or were weakened for a time after Balor's death. Finally, if you're right that he doesn't rely on magic at all, and thus was unaffected by Balor, it doesn't mean a thing. It just means that Alric wasn't taking him into account when he said that the Lords would become powerless.
The Deceiver--well, either Balor's death contributed to his defeat at the Stair of Grief, or there was just nothing to see, because he was already comatose.
Concerning Shiver, she pretty much already was powerless. That she survived is not surprsing--Alric, after all, didn't say that the Fallen Lords would die, per se. Besides, when he said powerless, it's clear he wasn't taking into account those Lords already dead. He probably just meant that the ones still living would be debilitated.
: And please, don't counter with "they were powerless
: for the time being but regained their strength".
: That's impossible. If they got their power through
: Balor and his death rendered them powerless then there
: would be no way for it to come back. Time doesn't heal
: all wounds.
I'm with Dan on this one. They had power before, they didn't "get their power through Balor," why can't they regain it? All that the nature of their relationship suggests is some sort of symbiosis--by binding the others to him, Balor made the others dependent upon him, where once they had been independent. Breaking the bonds suddenly would weaken them. Also, if Soulblighter can learn new powers, why can't they all relearn their old powers? Finally, why doesn't time heal THESE wounds? You state "there would be no way for it to come back," and "that's impossible," but I don't see what you're basing this on. You're only speculating.
: Now, if Balor had given that information directly to
: Alric, then that would make absolutely on sense. Why
: would Balor lie about the link? He's only inviting the
: full brunt of the Legion to hasten to their pace to
: his fortress. He's asking to be beaten, basically. If
: Balor did interrogate Alric, he wouldn't give him
: false information that would leave him dead but the
: other Lords alive. There is no logic in that. If Balor
: was going to say anything, he's tell Alric that all
: the Lords are independant and not linked with himself,
: so Alric would have to go around and hunt each Lord
: out and destroy them one by one. Then the two missing
: Fallen Lords would come into play and the war would
: have extended much, much longer than it had. now, why
: would Balor tell Alric something that was not true,
: and especially something that would force the Legion
: to attack him with all they've got and leave his other
: Lords behind? The Leveller seeks to destroy, not twist
: the truth and get beaten.
: Alric would have had to learn that info from somewhere
: else.
No one's suggesting that Balor outright "told" Alric anything. Considering that the narrator's passage says that he learned this about the power relationship "by chance" suggests, in fact, that he didn't learn the info by anyone else's direct efforts (not Balor's OR the Deceiver's), but by accident or luck. Without knowing the specifics, we can only speculate--but Balor might have let it slip by accident, or Alric might have read his mind, or detected some kind of magical control Balor exerted, or might have overheard it. Or, if the Deceiver was there, in camp with Balor, he might have heard the two conversing, and witnessed Balor exert his power over the Deceiver if, say, the D disagreed vehemently about something. A lot of possibilities come up--the idea that Balor just stated it up front is only the least likely of the bunch.
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