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Re: READ THIS, NOT BELOW (I hit "POST" b
Posted By: Chris t' Crappy (186.mercerville-46-47rs.nj.dial-access.att.net)
Date: 1/12/2000 at 3:12 p.m.
In Response To: Re: READ THIS, NOT BELOW (I hit "POST" b (Charon)
: I think that all that you need to buy in order to accept
: things the way they appear--i.e., the Heroes really
: did rescue Alric against all odds--is that Balor isn't
: perfect. Though, perhaps, the Light wasn't prepared
: for a frontal assault against Balor's forces to rescue
: Alric, Balor couldn't have known that, certainly not
: for sure. It's perfectly plausible that it's the only
: tactic he forsaw the Light using, especially if, as I
: and others have postulated, he was unaware of dwarven
: commando tactics.
Balor *was* perfect though, don't you see? He hadn't had a recorded loss. His only loss came with Shiver, but that was the Head's fault.
All of the losses for the Dark came, not at his blunder, but at an outside source interferring with the war. I wouldn't call that incompetence. He was flawless until the end.
: As a matter of fact, the only way to explain the D's
: failure to be in a rage at the Light for vanquishing
: him, upon being rescued, is that he understood it
: wasn't their "fault"--they were enemies when
: the D clashed with the Light for the final time in the
: Great War, not friends. He's grateful that the Light
: changed its mind and decided help him--as opposed to
: being angry at a former ally that failed almost
: destroyed and then failed to help him.
Ugh. I'm not going to bother addressing this because I've said it so many times already.
: Whatever Gurps implies, it's clearly not an identical
: setup. Balor's "binding"
It never says "binding".
of his fellow
: Fallen Lords means something substantial, something
: that doesn't exist in the relationship between Alric
: and the rest of the Nine. Clearly, the possibility is
: open to the idea of the remaining Fallen Lords being
: stuck by weakness after Balor was ultimately destroyed
: at the Great Devoid--we, the players, just aren't
: around to see it. Some evidence though: First, if you
: buy that the Deceiver was defeated after Balor
: (supported by the fact that the narrator, who
: documents all important events near and far, including
: the Dwarves' retaking of Myrgard, the rescue of Alric,
: the defeat of Shiver, and the civil war in the far
: West, had not documented the defeat of the Deceiver by
: the time the writer was killed at the Great Devoid)
Well, the journal-writer never ducumented anything about thw two missing Fallen Lords. Are we to believe they never existed? And, the journal writer did write of the Deceiver's defeat (although not the final blow) in Seven Gates.
,
: it's very possible that while the battle with the
: Watcher weakened the D, losing Balor further weakened
: him, enabling his defeat.
Doubtfully.
: Second, why does Soulblighter flee the West? Clearly,
: there are other explanations for this, but one reason
: might have been that he knew he, himself, would be
: adversely affected in some way, and would need to
: recuperate.
He didn't flee the West, he was in the East for the entire length of the Legion's stay in the East. Soulblighter fled to gain power equivalent to an archmage and to resurect a new army.
This need not be in a magical way--it
: could mean he might become a less effective fighter,
: lose hit points--it might have manifested itself in a
: thousand ways.
: Obviously, nothing I've offered is close to conclusive.
: The problem is, we don't see what happens to the
: remaining Fallen Lords after Balor's death. I simply
: am offering that we don't have any reason to believe
: that what Alric reported he had learned in the Barrier
: isn't true
Yes, we do. When Balor died, the Legion's trouble with the Fallen Lords was not over. (See: Myth 2)
and no reason to believe that anything
: strange went on over there.
But, we do. How did Alric come across the knowledge of using the Watcher's arm against him? The location of the Eblis stone? His easy rescue? (whatever you counter with, it makes no difference. No man, especially the Leveller, would leave the most powerful of his enemies out in the open with practically no guard whatsoever. The Leveller seeks to destroy and should have the least killed Alric or protected him much better.) There are a lot of unanswered questions, and if you can provide some answers then I'll be happy to give up the theory.
Chris
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