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The Leveler, Ages and Eras (Part II)

Posted By: Forrest (term5-5.vta.west.net)
Date: 5/29/1999 at 12:46 p.m.

In Response To: The Leveler, Ages and Eras (Part I) (Forrest)

MESSAGE: (#209) Epilogue Errors...

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AUTHOR: Pimpy

DATE: 1/14/99 at 3:38 p.m.

I listened to the epilogue in fear (sounds/internal epilogue) and found out a
few mistakes in the epilogue itself. Most of them deal with time, big surprise
huh? Well here goes. Oh, and not all of them are mistakes, some are just
interesting points.

We know the Comet comes every 1,000 years and symbolizes the coming of the
Great Hero or Evil. But in the epilogue it says: "He [the Leveler] was
immobilized by sorcery, beheaded and burned at the stake in the Second Era. A
thousand years later he was drawn and quartered on the plains before Ileum..."
According to this there was only one thousand years between the fall of
consecutive Levelers. This is WRONG! There are 2,000 years in between fall of
the Levelers. i.e. Connacht beat Moagim (1st Leveler killed), Connacht becomes
Balor (end first 1,000 years), Alric kills Balor (2nd Leveler killed, end
2,000 years!) See the error here?!? Give me your thoughts please.

Also worthy of noting is this quote: "Many of these heroes were doomed to
return in the following age as Fallen Lords." According to this the great hero
doesn't have to become the Leveler of the next dark reign. So there may yet be
a way to escape this fate if you are the Great Hero. Another passage to
back-up this example is: "Soulblighter was not The Leveler. He may have been
if he had survived into the next millennium ." According to this Soulblighter
may have become the Leveler even without being the Great Hero. So there is
something else that must be done in order for the Leveler to take over this
individual.

Let me know what you think. Thanks guys, later.

Sincerely,
Pimpy™

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MESSAGE: (#211) Re: Epilogue Errors...

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AUTHOR: Saradin

DATE: 1/14/99 at 5:30 p.m.

Reply To: (#209) Epilogue Errors...

Author: Pimpy

Date: 1/14/99 at 3:38 p.m.

: I listened to the epilogue in fear (sounds/internal
: epilogue) and found out a few mistakes in the epilogue
: itself. Most of them deal with time, big surprise huh?
: Well here goes. Oh, and not all of them are mistakes,
: some are just interesting points.

: We know the Comet comes every 1,000 years and symbolizes
: the coming of the Great Hero or Evil. But in the
: epilogue it says: "He [the Leveler] was
: immobilized by sorcery, beheaded and burned at the
: stake in the Second Era. A thousand years later he was
: drawn and quartered on the plains before
: Ileum..." According to this there was only one
: thousand years between the fall of consecutive
: Levelers. This is WRONG! There are 2,000 years in
: between fall of the Levelers. i.e. Connacht beat
: Moagim (1st Leveler killed), Connacht becomes Balor
: (end first 1,000 years), Alric kills Balor (2nd
: Leveler killed, end 2,000 years!) See the error
: here?!? Give me your thoughts please.

I don't have Myth 2, so I'm basing all I say on Myth 1. If the Dark and the
Light successively hold dominance for 500 years each, then that would mean
Alric will reign for 500 years, then become the Leveler and bring horrors upon
the world for another 500 years. This would mean that there would be 1000
years between the eras. Where does it say an age lasts for 1000 years?

BTW, is our friend, the journal writer from Myth 1, the same guy who writes
the journal in Myth 2, or did he really die at the Devoid?

: Also worthy of noting is this quote: "Many of these
: heroes were doomed to return in the following age as
: Fallen Lords." According to this the great hero
: doesn't have to become the Leveler of the next dark
: reign. So there may yet be a way to escape this fate
: if you are the Great Hero. Another passage to back-up
: this example is: "Soulblighter was not The
: Leveler. He may have been if he had survived into the
: next millennium ." According to this Soulblighter
: may have become the Leveler even without being the
: Great Hero. So there is something else that must be
: done in order for the Leveler to take over this
: individual.

I think that the first part means that the heroes returned as big time evils
or ruled over them. Balor wasn't really a Fallen Lord, he was just their
commander. In previous ages, maybe there was only 1 Fallen Lord, but he was so
powerful that he didn't need any other generals.

About SB. I think what Bungie is trying to say is that: SB wasn't the Leveler,
but if he killed Alric, he would be the big power and then he would become the
Leveler because the hero (Alric) wouldn't be around to accept the mantle.

: Let me know what you think. Thanks guys, later.

: Sincerely,
: PimpyÙ

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MESSAGE: (#215) Timing of the Ages

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AUTHOR: Dangerboy

DATE: 1/15/99 at 3:45 p.m.

okay,

I don't gave myth II yet (it should be arriving this weekend) so don't know
everything abouth the leveler but I have been hearing a lot of people saying
some things that must be inncorrect.

A large number of people are confusing eras with ages which can really screw
up the understanding of what your are talking about. Some people also seem to
think that the times of light and the times of dark are equal. this is not so.
There was a thousand years of peace between when the villian before balor died
and when balor became evil. but the was NOT a thousand years of evil under
balor. balor only rained for a decade or so. not a millenium. the light eras
are always 1000 years long. the dark eras can be any amount of time, just the
amount of time until a new hero arises.

so you cannot say that there was 2000 years between when Balor died and the
guy before him (moragim?) died. because moragim was destroyed exactly 1000
years before Balor arose. and balor didn't rein for 1000 year.

all done.

please correct me if I am wrong.

sincerely,
Dangerboy of the 7th Age

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MESSAGE: (#223) The Ages

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AUTHOR: Miraxus

DATE: 1/17/99 at 4:14 p.m.

I just extracted this from Fear:

::Of all the swallows in the Four Ages there is no doubt that ::Pretty Boy was
the most powerful and his death the most ::salient victory of the Feline
during the Wind Age.

in the FOUR Ages. Most of this is a joke, but I guess that the one peice of
information is incredibly helpful. This tells us that there have been 4 ages.
In another tag:

::ÏThe wolves of The Ermine have been a menace to the people ::of the Free
Cities of the North... since the area was ::settled in the Axe Age.Ó

The Axe Age is one of them. Count that as one of the Four Ages.

The Wolf Age is mentioned a few times, as the age in which Balor rose.

The Wind Age was the time in which Connacht came to rule over the earth.

Age of Reason is cited when "And so Tireces

returned as Moagim to end the Age of Reason"

These are the four ages.

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MESSAGE: (#224) Re: The Ages

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AUTHOR: Saradin

DATE: 1/17/99 at 11:54 p.m.

Reply To: (#223) The Ages

Author: Miraxus

Date: 1/17/99 at 4:14 p.m.

: I just extracted this from Fear: in the FOUR Ages. Most
: of this is a joke, but I guess that the one peice of
: information is incredibly helpful. This tells us that
: there have been 4 ages. In another tag: The Axe Age is
: one of them. Count that as one of the Four Ages.

The real quote is "Of all the Avatara in the Four Ages there is no doubt that
Mazzarin was the most powerful and his death the most salient victory of the
dark during the Wind Age." I think it means that Avatara existed only in four
ages, and out of those, Mazzarin was the most powerful. The four ages were
probably from the Age of Reason to the Wolf Age.

: The Wolf Age is mentioned a few times, as the age in
: which Balor rose.

: The Wind Age was the time in which Connacht came to rule
: over the earth.

: Age of Reason is cited when "And so Tireces

: returned as Moagim to end the Age of Reason"

: These are the four ages.

Now lets put them in chronological order. I put the Axe Age as an age of the
light because if people are settling there, they probably did it during a
period of peace and prosperity, not chaos and war.

And the pattern here is: name of age (name of hero/evil predominant in the
age)

________ (1st Age, some Hero)
________ (2nd Era Hero)
________ (2nd Era Leveler)
Axe Age (3rd Era Hero)
________ (3rd Era Leveler)
Age Of Reason (Tireces)
________ (Moagim)
Wind Age (Connacht)
Wolf Age (Balor)
[Current Age] (Alric)

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MESSAGE: (#230) What about the Sword Age?

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AUTHOR: Pimpy

DATE: 1/18/99 at 12:06 p.m.

Reply To: (#224) Re: The Ages

Author: Saradin

Date: 1/17/99 at 11:54 p.m.

Quick note: you do not mention the Sword age, where ou'Kahn, the leader of the
archers forged a treaty with the humans, and in which Caliban was the greatest
hero of the Light. We aso know that Caliban arose after teh disappearance of
Connacht, so how does this age fit in after the Wind Age and before the Wolf
Age(?).

Sincerely,
Pimpy™

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MESSAGE: (#231) Re: What about the Sword Age?

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AUTHOR: Saradin

DATE: 1/18/99 at 1:56 p.m.

Reply To: (#230) What about the Sword Age?

Author: Pimpy

Date: 1/18/99 at 12:06 p.m.

Umm... where does it say that Caliban arose after the dissappearance of
Connacht? Caliban could be an earlier hero who later became a leveler. Then
the Sword Age could be one of the earlier light ages.

Or how about this: First there is the Wind Age, when Connacht ruled. Then came
the Sword Age, which was after Connacht left but before he returned as Balor.
Then the Wolf Age is when Balor was around.

Note: I'm working only with what other people tell me. So I don't know if the
Wolf Age (which I have never heard of before this) is after the Wind Age and
the Axe Age is before the other ages. Its only me guessing at the order.

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MESSAGE: (#243) Re: What about the Sword Age?

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AUTHOR: Rochallor

DATE: 1/21/99 at 7:52 p.m.

Reply To: (#231) Re: What about the Sword Age?

Author: Saradin

Date: 1/18/99 at 1:56 p.m.

Yeah- I'm pretty sure that Caliban is a previous hero- after all, the fir'bolg
and humans are already in an alliance at the beginning of Myth I... so it only
makes sense that they forged this alliance before then. So that would make the
Sword Age a previous age- in fact, I doubt if the present age gets named until
it's completed. That's how I would do it if I were a myth historian

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