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Re: READ THIS, NOT BELOW (I hit "POST" b
Posted By: Charon (207-172-57-14.s14.tnt2.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com)
Date: 1/11/2000 at 9:26 p.m.
In Response To: Re: READ THIS, NOT BELOW (I hit "POST" b (Chris t' Crappy)
: I dont know. At this point in the game, I have ahard time
: believing Balor would allow such a slip-up. His record
: is flawless up to this point (Shiver's loss doesn't
: count, the Head screwed things up, which Balor could
: niether prevent or foresee) and the only loss he takes
: (other than his own demise) is the fault of the
: Watcher's, who let his fued get the best of him.
: As for the Legion, I'm sure they wouldn't risk sending an
: entire army over the mountains just for one man.
: They'd lose a lot of lives in the cold, add
: discontentment, ghol and souless raids and you have a
: pretty unhappy army. Mutiny would run rampany and
: morale would plunge. After all, it doesn't take a day
: to cross the Clouspine. By the time the Legion got
: half-way across, Balor would have his troops esembled
: and ready to fight. Until he saw signs of this, he
: probably would have spent his time with Alric or at
: least guarding the important man.
I think that all that you need to buy in order to accept things the way they appear--i.e., the Heroes really did rescue Alric against all odds--is that Balor isn't perfect. Though, perhaps, the Light wasn't prepared for a frontal assault against Balor's forces to rescue Alric, Balor couldn't have known that, certainly not for sure. It's perfectly plausible that it's the only tactic he forsaw the Light using, especially if, as I and others have postulated, he was unaware of dwarven commando tactics.
: I know what you meant, the Deceiver may not have set up a
: deal because he figured that Alric would kill Balor
: and leave the other Lords alone. But, the deal could
: have been short-term. He gave Alric some info, then
: Alric let him be. The Deceiver figured he was in the
: clear but the Watcher blind-sided him and his plan
: went to hell. Maybe the Deceiver gave Alric the info
: and promised to take care of the Watcher for the
: Legion. Who knows.
You seem to be pushing the idea, again, that the Deceiver made a pact with Alric and, in doing so, fed Alric what you consider false info concerning Balor.
Some problems (most of which I've already brought up):
1.Alric told his friends of the Light that it was the Balor who he got this info from, not the Deceiver
2.60 years later, once Soulblighter returned, Alric would realize that the Deceiver had lied to him about Balor being the source of SB's power, and be rather peeved at the D
3.If they had made this pact to destroy the Fallen Lords, the Deceiver wouldn't have fought with the Light over the Watcher's arm--or, alternatively, the Deceiver would have warned Alric to stay away from the arm, because he would take care of the Watcher himself
4.Alric wouldn't have allowed his troops to vanquish the Deceiver, plunging him in the river, whenver that was
5.Alric would have rescued the D, his former, secret ally, some time in the 60-year interval between wars, rather than letting him hang on the edge of death, both to rescue the D from a risky situation, and to have him around in case another evil surfaced.
6.The D would be quite peeved at his former, secret ally (Alric) for allowing his troops to stuff him in the river for 60 years, then failing to rescue him for so long.
As a matter of fact, the only way to explain the D's failure to be in a rage at the Light for vanquishing him, upon being rescued, is that he understood it wasn't their "fault"--they were enemies when the D clashed with the Light for the final time in the Great War, not friends. He's grateful that the Light changed its mind and decided help him--as opposed to being angry at a former ally that failed almost destroyed and then failed to help him.
: Well, GURPS implies that the Fallen Lords had a set-up
: similar to the Nine, which leads me to believe that
: they did their own things and contributed their own
: ideas. My main gripe is with people who say,
: "Once Balor falls (or fell) the other Fallen
: Lords will fall and lose their power as well."
: ...which is apparently false.
Whatever Gurps implies, it's clearly not an identical setup. Balor's "binding" of his fellow Fallen Lords means something substantial, something that doesn't exist in the relationship between Alric and the rest of the Nine. Clearly, the possibility is open to the idea of the remaining Fallen Lords being stuck by weakness after Balor was ultimately destroyed at the Great Devoid--we, the players, just aren't around to see it. Some evidence though:
First, if you buy that the Deceiver was defeated after Balor (supported by the fact that the narrator, who documents all important events near and far, including the Dwarves' retaking of Myrgard, the rescue of Alric, the defeat of Shiver, and the civil war in the far West, had not documented the defeat of the Deceiver by the time the writer was killed at the Great Devoid), it's very possible that while the battle with the Watcher weakened the D, losing Balor further weakened him, enabling his defeat.
Second, why does Soulblighter flee the West? Clearly, there are other explanations for this, but one reason might have been that he knew he, himself, would be adversely affected in some way, and would need to recuperate. This need not be in a magical way--it could mean he might become a less effective fighter, lose hit points--it might have manifested itself in a thousand ways.
Obviously, nothing I've offered is close to conclusive. The problem is, we don't see what happens to the remaining Fallen Lords after Balor's death. I simply am offering that we don't have any reason to believe that what Alric reported he had learned in the Barrier isn't true, and no reason to believe that anything strange went on over there.
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