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Re: Analysis of Shiver

Posted By: SiliconDream=PN= (mates.HIP.Berkeley.EDU)
Date: 1/9/2000 at 9:09 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Analysis of Shiver (Forrest)

: However, it (GURPS) also says that there were seven
: Fallen Lords (page 99, third paragraph, "Of the
: seven original Fallen Lords..."), so there's one
: left unknown. If Shiver and the Voiceless One are the
: same, then that leaves us back with the six we
: originally knew, and since the only prerelease name
: left for the Lurker is Bonesplitter, then the sixth,
: unknown fallen must be the Faceless Man.

If you look up one paragraph from here, you'll see that "Fallen Lords" is being used to denote Balor as well as the lesser six. Again, in the bottom paragraph on that page, "Balor made each of his six Fallen Lords into lieutenants." The numerical discrepancy is purely a matter of whether or not Balor's being included, I think. I doubt it has anything to do with an additional, unknown Lord.

: Also note that the same paragraph mentioned above says
: two of the Fallen *disappeared* after Balor's death,
: not died; that one (presumably the Deceiver) is still
: in service to the Light; and four have died and are
: presumed still dead. So we've got the Deceiver, still
: in service to the Light; Shiver, the Watcher,
: Soulblighter, and one other all dead, and two still
: missing. (Though if Shiver and the Voiceless One are
: to be counted as one person, then there could be only
: three dead, or only one missing, depending on whether
: the Voiceless One is dead or missing).

Presumably Ravanna and the Lurker are the two that disappeared; if Ravanna and Shiver are the same person, then that additional Lord (most likely the faceless man, as you say) also fled for parts unknown.

--SiliconDream

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