A lot of this is the same stuff I wrote to Dan, but whatever.
: What are you talking about? It is clearly stated that the
: Watcher brought the Deceiver to a near-death state.
: See GURPS.
Once again, look at "The Stair of Grief." It is spelled out very clearly that it was the Light that vanquished the D, not the Watcher. GURPS is unclear. This pre-game text is not. Clearly, the Watcher weakened the D. Also possible is that Balor's death further weakened him.
: And Soulblighter was not weakened. How many times have
: I've said that he was *not* an archmage or any kind of
: sorcerer. He was skilled in martial arts. He learned
: everything after Balor's defeat.
I said almost the exact same thing to Dan, but Soulblighter is immune to sword blows in Myth II, not at the Great Devoid. There is no evidence he learned this immunity in the 60 years between wars. My opinion is that he re-learned it in his recuperation. Or, perhaps Soulblighter just became a weaker fighter, or even easier to kill, or...whatever. We can think up a million weaknesses Soulblighter may have been struck with after the head went down the Great Devoid, not all of them magic-related. We just didn't get to see them because Soulblighter fled (which in and of itself suggests he had something to fear, perhaps because of his own weakness).
: Yes true, but under what circumstance is not known.
So, under what circumstances DID the armies of the dark collapse??? It's mentioned as having happened very suddenly after Balor's death. How else were they destroyed? The legion itself barely existed after the Great Devoid, and half a million undead remained at Rhi'Anon.
: d) If Alric got any false info,
: Meaning what? His interrogation was never touched upon in
: detail. The journal just mentioned he was
: interrogated. I have no idea where you are getting the
: idea that he was exhausted from being interrogated by
: Balor. Alric was held up in a containment field,
: suspended in the air for who knows how long. That can
: wear down on a person.
The journal-writer says that Alric was so exahusted, it was suspected he was delirious. Very possible that he did dream something up.
: No. Again, the Deceiver shows no interest in leading the
: Dark. Never have I read of this desire. You again are
: assuming all Fallen Lords have this desire, but he
: clearly has his passions elsewhere.
Fine, then, if he wants to rule the Light, answer the question that I asked: why go behind Alric's back??
: What? For the hundreth time : "The Deceiver nearly
: died in fleeing that fight (his battle with the
: Watcher) -- perhaps did die..." -GURPS
And I'll say again, it was the Light that stuffed him in the ice. There were many days between the Watcher's demise and the Deceiver's fall...count the days between the mission "The Watcher" and "The Great Devoid," and keep in mind that, since the narrator doesn't document the Deceiver's fall, he still hasn't fallen in the ice by the time Balor is destroyed. That points to much time between the Watcher's destruction and the defeat of the Deceiver.
: "Subsequent events proved each Fallen Lord very much
: wielded his own power on his own behalf, and that
: Balor's "lieutenants" really made up a Dark
: circle remarkably similar to The Nine's own as led by
: Alric." - GURPS
: While yes, the Fallen Lords were bonded to Balor, they
: did not gain their power from him. They contained
: their own. The Deceiver fell into the ice when a band
: of men from the Legion attack him after he was so weak
: (from the Watcher) he couldn't flee or fight back.
: That was in December. Balor fell in July of next year.
: How can you relate the two events which are separated
: by eight months?
What evidence do you have that the Deceiver fell in december??? The battle between The watcher and Deceiver happened at Seven Gates...yet the Deveiver makes it ALL THE WAY to the Stair of Grief, which is where he falls in the ice!! Again, this points to much time, perhaps weeks, between the two events.
: He had no idea that the Watcher would attack him by
: surprise in Seven Gates either. For all he knew, he
: was going to survive the war.
How could he expect this if he knew that the Light was seeking to expunge the land of the Dark, and would succeed in doing so if Balor fell? Certainly, he could not expect to magically end up allied with the Light, which you are arguing is where his sympathies lie.
: How can the relative ease of the five heroes rescuing
: Alric be explained by Balor's defeat? Again, you
: aren't making any sense. Balor was defeated by Alric
: playing on his past character, using the 'krid
: standard. No such ploy was used in the rescue. The
: heroes simply swooped in and saved Alric rather
: easily. The ease leads to some questions.
Look, I'll use what you said: "Balor didn't anticipate" the tactic that Alric used in the last battle. It's just another case of him doing a stupid thing. Why can Balor only do stupid things when they involve thousand-year old battle standards, but not modern military tactics? Can't you accept that all those guys in "The five champions" and "Out of the Barrier" really ARE trying to kill Alric, as the post-game art after you lose would imply?
