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Re: READ THIS, NOT BELOW (I hit "POST" b
Posted By: Charon (cache-1.spg.va.webcache.rcn.net)
Date: 1/9/2000 at 2:07 p.m.
In Response To: Re: READ THIS, NOT BELOW (I hit "POST" b (Dan Rudolph)
I'm a bit confused on YOUR take on all this Dan, but I'll try to answer as best as I can.
: The Deceiver could also have been weakened by his fight
: with the Watcher. How was Soulblighter weakened? He
: wasn't even a sorceror. He didn't have any power he
: could have drawn from Balor. Also, he was quite the
: bad-ass at the Great Devoid.
Soublighter is not invincible to sword blows at the Great Devoid as he is througout Myth II. On timid, you can actually defeat him just using zerks at the Great Devoid, driving him off. No such thing in Myth II. This seems to go along with the idea that Soulblighter has used all of his magical power to maintain his immortality--with the loss of Balor, he lost some of that protection.
: As for the mind probe, we have no evidence any such thing
: took place. It merely says Alric was interrogated.
: This is every bit as speculative as saying the
: Deceiver let it slip out.
Or maybe Alric can read minds? Or maybe Balor slipped up? In any case, you're trying to prove that the D was the one who tipped Alric off. If so, he must have assumed Balor's form (as Chris postualtes), or Alric wouldn't have claimed it was Balor who he found out from. So--why would the D do that? You answer that below...I'll get there.
: Most of them fell before Balor's death. The remaining
: lords lost their leadership and there fore their
: ability to work in tandem and were therefore easy
: pickings.
What about those half a million in front of Rhi'Anon? You can bet that the few thousand of the Legion barely made a dent in them, and Alric's tiny remainder of an army after the Great Devoid couldn't have taken them out...unless they all disappeared. If they didn't fall apart, Soulblighter would have taken control of them and continued the work of his master, rather than fleeing. This also explains the Deceiver's defeat, if the Deceiver himself weren't weakened--all his undead died off, leaving him only those whom he had charmed. Hence, the refernce to the "remnants of his army" in the pre-game text to the "Stair of Grief."
: That's a cop-out answer.
You say this in response to the idea that Alric got some info wrong. Why is it such a cop-out? The Nine have made mistakes...for instance, they initially misjudged the relationship between Balor and the Fallen Lords. It's more likely than the alternative.
: Unless he couldn't because Balor was there, or Alric
: wouldn't have trusted him, or the shades would have
: told Balor. He would have to work covertly in this
: case.
OK, so...the Deceiver CAN'T just slip some info to Alric, because Balor or the shades would notice, but he CAN assume Balor's shape and interrogate Alric. Wouldn't someone notice "Balor" was in two place at once? Or, if Balor wasn't there, the shades would have noticed the Deceiver taking on Balor's form. This leaves the idea that Alric wouldn't have trusted the Deceiver...why? He trusts him in Myth II...and would very likely believe the Deceiver if the D told him "I'm an avatara being forced to help Balor, but I really want to help you. Kill Balor and I can help you." The D wouldn't bother with tricking Alric.
: I still think that Balor was interrogating Alric, but the
: Deceiver is the one who made sure he found out
: "by chance" that killing Balor would destroy
: the dark armies.
: I think the Warlocks were supposed to rescue him, but
: couldn't without the staff.
: He defeated Balor because he had the Ebilis stone. There
: was no trup card in the Five Champions.
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