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Re: Analysis of Shiver

Posted By: Dan Rudolph (320-A-42-147.ppp.mcleodusa.net)
Date: 1/9/2000 at 4:13 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Analysis of Shiver (SiliconDream=PN=)

: The bad blood between them which I was suggesting would
: have occurred after Balor revived Ravanna. They didn't
: become mortal enemies or anything; they just rubbed
: each other the wrong way. Does it say somewhere that
: Ravanna and Culwyeh were contemporaries?

I'm assuming you mean Damas and Culwyeh. If Culwyeh is an ancient evil, she must be over 1000 years old. Damas is just a hair over 1000 years old, assuming he didn't become immortal until he started tracking down magical artifacts. For the light to even think Shiver could be a re-incarnation of Ravanna, Ravanna would have to have died before Culwyeh's death.

: First, I just suggested they'd feuded before. That
: doesn't mean outright war as with Myrdred and Bahl'al.
: Shiver/Ravanna may have spent her off-days trading
: insults and threats with Myrdred without actually
: testing his strength in personal combat. Also, The
: Deceiver's a lot less powerful too, when he doesn't
: have an enormous army of undead and mind-controlled
: soldiers. You don't think she could have taken him if
: he hadn't already converted Phelot?

She saw what he did to the light, but I concede that he has lost power. He used to be able to mass-convert light forces, but now he can grab a unit every minute or so.

: Matt? You don't ask *Matt* questions when you want to
: know about something. He responds either with total
: silence or with some tangent about "Jump Through
: Your Fist." When you want Bungie info, you ask
: *Marty*, of course. I thought everyone knew that. ;)

I was hoping he would say something cryptic, but potentially useful. Maybe the Man needs to be bugged.

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